backtobasic Report post Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Hello everyone.!!! I am in early beginning and i am planning to make leather straps. I bought chrome cowhide leather at my first step.From what i have written in your forum i understood that the leather that i bought is chrome veg. tanned. My questions are: 1).I woulld like to make my straps to look more vintage like this:At the chrome tanned leather what product can i use as to make it more vintage as in pic above. I have read here for the DYES and STAINs.So in my case the stains and maybe and the antique paste are more ok for this vintage look strap?I understood what are stains and antiques paste.But I found one product at on its label is written stain and antique: What is exactly this product?Which is the difference between this one and stains and antique paste?Can you suggest me some black and brown products (brandnames) for the work that i want???Thank you!!! Edited October 5, 2015 by backtobasic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halitech Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Pretty sure due to the way chrome tanned leather is made, it won't accept dyes or stains except when it is tanned. I could be wrong though so if I am, someone will correct me. And I've never heard of chrome veg tanned leather, they are 2 totally different types of leather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backtobasic Report post Posted October 6, 2015 Pretty sure due to the way chrome tanned leather is made, it won't accept dyes or stains except when it is tanned. I could be wrong though so if I am, someone will correct me. And I've never heard of chrome veg tanned leather, they are 2 totally different types of leather Hello these straps at the pics that i have attached are chrome leather tanner. With which product can you make it more vintage? With dyes? stains? antique paste or something else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullmoosepaddles Report post Posted October 8, 2015 You may want to do a google search on the difference between chrome tanned leather and veg tanned leather. It should also help you to determine which you have and how to best look for what you want in the future. I am sorry not to give you an answer, But veg tanned and chrome tanned leathers are vastly different materials. Veg tanned will usually take both dyes and stains readily. While chrome tanned may accept some sort of shading, but not well due to the fact it has already been dye once. Experiment on a small amount of the material you have and see if you can duplicate the look you want, also make sure it is color fast. after being dyed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChuckBurrows Report post Posted October 8, 2015 Guess some folks haven't used much chrome tan since it takes most any of the spirit based dyes well. While it reacts a bit differently than on veg tan it works just fine. Been dying and over dying (darker over a pre-dyed hide) chrome tan since the 1970's. And yep it will take aging well although a bit harder to do aging with it rather than veg tan, You can see aging of chrome tan on some of the chaps and botas I've built using it: http://www.wrtcleather.com/Chaps/index-gallery.html http://www.wrtcleather.com/Botas/slides/Botas_002-1.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backtobasic Report post Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Hello again, how are you? thanks for your help and for your time: Please if you have time help me, it is very important for me because i dont have any other way to find explanations. So if you have time please anwser me the below questions:First of all...as i told ..I want to work with chrome tanned leathers.Especially i want to make watch straps.I woulld like to make my straps to look more vintage like these these leather straps:1) I have made some tests . Especially i rub the leather with sand-paper in some places of the strap. After in these places i want to change the color (to make it more vintage..) So i want to make them more dark as black or dark brown etc.Which exaclty products can i use for this work? Stains? Dyes? Antique paste? Antique stains? I'am confused. Maybe i need stains and antiques paste that does it stay on the surface of leather?But I found one product at on its label is written stain and antique:What is exactly this product?Which is the difference between this one and stains and antique paste?Additionally i see many products here and iam confused.--->At the point the only i need is one good product black , brown and dark brown to give vintage texture in the places that i have rub before with sandpaper. 2) My second problem : Which exactly product (some easy in use and good) must use for finishing? I afraid of making stain on my wrist when i wear the straps so i need one good product as to not have discolor problem with all these stains/product etc... But i want the color of strap do not become more dark orto have plastic feeling when i apply the finish product . ( additionally my leathers ,chrome tanned when i buy them the painting of the leather from tanniery discolor a little when i use on it a wet fabric )3) My third problem:I want to paint the edges as when they are raw.I do not have problem to be smooth but i prefer more rough-vintage style.So my problem is when i cut my edges and then i put on edges fiebing black edge kote. I leave it for 24hours to dry and then when i rub them with one fabric the black painting discolor.I have read that the edge kote is waterproof and for this reason it must not discolor.What is my fault? I try to put tan kote over and let it to be dry but again when the fabric is a little wet the black color leave black stains on fabric.What is your opinion to try resolene or other product? to put it 50%resolene and 50% water? or 100%resolene?What else can i put as to not discolor?(I saw in some videos on youtube that they put something as spray.)-->At the point for my second and third questions i need one good product for finish.(when i apply it my straps does not become more dark or to obtain plstic feeling.)4) Finally:Can you recommend any good edge creaser tool? must be electric burn creasing or not? any value for money good product?Thank you so much for your time and your help,Panos Edited October 8, 2015 by backtobasic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backtobasic Report post Posted October 14, 2015 Guess some folks haven't used much chrome tan since it takes most any of the spirit based dyes well. While it reacts a bit differently than on veg tan it works just fine. Been dying and over dying (darker over a pre-dyed hide) chrome tan since the 1970's. And yep it will take aging well although a bit harder to do aging with it rather than veg tan, You can see aging of chrome tan on some of the chaps and botas I've built using it: http://www.wrtcleather.com/Chaps/index-gallery.html http://www.wrtcleather.com/Botas/slides/Botas_002-1.html Hello mY friend!! Thank you very much for your help and your time. Your work are amazing , i am looking for something like this. Please if you can tell me the method for this result. The spirit based dyes that you told me from where can buy them? Has the fiebing? Any product title it will help me. Do you believe that with stains is it possible to have this result? (or antique paste?) Thank you again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backtobasic Report post Posted October 16, 2015 Guess some folks haven't used much chrome tan since it takes most any of the spirit based dyes well. While it reacts a bit differently than on veg tan it works just fine. Been dying and over dying (darker over a pre-dyed hide) chrome tan since the 1970's. And yep it will take aging well although a bit harder to do aging with it rather than veg tan, You can see aging of chrome tan on some of the chaps and botas I've built using it: http://www.wrtcleather.com/Chaps/index-gallery.html http://www.wrtcleather.com/Botas/slides/Botas_002-1.html Hello again , thank you very much , and for finish which exactly product do you put? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
