Need Help With 226 Shutttle Problem

[mickt]

Hi everyone, i"m new to this fourm and I must say it is a great place seems like there are alot of very nice people on here. I've learned alot about my machine in the last two days just from reading the post here. I posted a question last night and received a reply this morning, that was super quick.

I bought this machine about a week ago and have not been able to use it due to a few problems with some of them due to me not knowing how to use it. I was hoping someone here could help get it up and running.

I bought the machine in hopes of doing some auto upholstery and think it will do what I need to do. I used to be in the auto upholstery busness about 30 years ago and have a few projects of my own I would like to do. After looking at all different stuff on the internet I see that the auto upholstery business has really changed.

My problem is with my shultte and bobbin area. Yesterday as I was trying to run the machine the shuttle locked up a few times and I had to use the button to release it, that worked out ok until the last time it happed, after unlocking it the whole machine locked up except for about a half turn in either direction. I found that the hook thingy ( don't know the proper name for this ) on the outside edge towards the front was blocking the shuttle from turning as it was up aginest the triangle tab on the bobbin case.

Ok so I took out the hook thingy and now the shuttle will turn, so I put the hook thingy back in and it appears to be in at a different angle as it does not hit the bobbin case triangle (tab) part at all and now the bobbin and the shuttle turn at the same time together. So one of my questions is "should the bobbin turn freely in the shuttle or turn with the shuttle"?

I have a friend that has a Juki 563 I believe, it looks all most the same as my 226 consew so I went over to look at his and his bobbin turns only to the point where the triangle tab part on the bobbin case hits the hook thingy in either direction because the hook thingy stops the bobbin case from turning with the shuttle.

I also have an old shuttle that was in a box of extra stuff when I bought the machine with the tip broke off, on that one the bobbin case turns separte from the shuttle. I could be wrong but my way of thinking is the bobbin case needs to be somewhat stationary but flexable are you can't get any tenision from it, If this is not right someone please tell me how it is sopposed to work.

Any help someone can give would be very much helpfull as I am at the end of my rope on this trying to get it to sew. I should add that before I bought it, it was sewing and working as it should so I must have caused the problem but don't know how I did it, but I think it was when I tried to change the size of my stitches. .

Can someone tell me what the hook thingy is really called?

Sorry for such a long post but I did not know how else to discribe the problem. I hope all this is making sense.

Thanks in advance

Mick

[CowboyBob]

The problem was the fact that it wasn't threaded correctly so it jammed up the hook.What you need to do them is put some oil on the part were the hook & the bobbincase slide & it rock the machine back & forth & it will free up.Right now since you had the needle plate off you need to realign the bobbincase's little tab of metal in the slot under the needleplate.

and hope it's still in time.You should never take the hook out for any reason,it's hard for most people to get it back properly in time .So get the bobbincase lined up & see if it'll pickup the bobbin thread.

After you thread the machine,put the foot down & see if the tension is so tight that you can barely pull the thread,then holding on to the needle thread make one turn of the handwheel towards you & the bobbin thread should come up,then holding the needle thread for the first couple of stitches see if it'll sew.

Bob

[sandyt]

Hello,

I realy would like to help you but my English is to poor to get into the technical stuf. Since you took everything apart maybe you should do a search on timing / hook timing / needle timing or somting like that. I think you could compare your setup with the yuki. It's basicly the same.

Use this opportunity to clean everything around your bobincase. Make sure there is no thread/dust in there. Clean it and put some oil in it.

Put the needle the right way in! But I assume you know what you are doing since you did upholstey in the past.

Good luck.

sandy.

[mickt]

The problem was the fact that it wasn't threaded correctly so it jammed up the hook.What you need to do them is put some oil on the part were the hook & the bobbincase slide & it rock the machine back & forth & it will free up.Right now since you had the needle plate off you need to realign the bobbincase's little tab of metal in the slot under the needleplate.

and hope it's still in time.You should never take the hook out for any reason,it's hard for most people to get it back properly in time .So get the bobbincase lined up & see if it'll pickup the bobbin thread.

After you thread the machine,put the foot down & see if the tension is so tight that you can barely pull the thread,then holding on to the needle thread make one turn of the handwheel towards you & the bobbin thread should come up,then holding the needle thread for the first couple of stitches see if it'll sew.

Bob

Hi Bob, thanks for the quick reply with help.

I'm not sure i'm understanding correctly sense i'm not use to all the names of the parts but I think I can figure it out.

I'm not sure what you are reffering to by the needle plate.

What I have done so far is realined the hook thingy ( I hate to use this word but I don't know at this time what it is called I think this may be what you are calling the hook.) so the bobbin case can hit it so I would be able to put a little presure on the case to help break it free by rocking the machine back and forth by the hand wheel. So for that has not helped and I have not applied a lot of preasure or forced it in fear of breaking something. I also applied machine oil to the sides, and bottom of the bobbin case.

I also can not find any thread or anything else that may be keeping it from turning.

It appears to me that the bobbin case is in there pretty tight, is there another way to break it free? I bet this is a NO, NO but is there a way to use a peice of plastic to gentley tap the bobbin case to help free it, if so how do I hold the suttle from turning?

It looks to me that freeing up the bobbin case is the frist thing I need to do, and work on the other problems. In my area I do not have any repair person to work on these type machines so I well have to try to do it myself.

Bob, would it be ok to call you? If so let me know what times are best for you.

I also believe I will need some new part for the machine.

Thaks again for your time, it means a lot to me.

Mick

[mickt]

Hello,

I realy would like to help you but my English is to poor to get into the technical stuf. Since you took everything apart maybe you should do a search on timing / hook timing / needle timing or somting like that. I think you could compare your setup with the yuki. It's basicly the same.

Use this opportunity to clean everything around your bobincase. Make sure there is no thread/dust in there. Clean it and put some oil in it.

Put the needle the right way in! But I assume you know what you are doing since you did upholstey in the past.

Good luck.

sandy.

[mickt]

Hi Sandy,

Thanks for replying and concerns to help. I think your english is better then mine. I may have done upholstery in the past but I never worked an my machines much except for little things to keep it running.

At that time there was a man that worked on machines here in town and he came around every few weeks and would tune them up, if one broke down and I needed it running quickly I could call him and he would come by and fix the machine.

Those days are long gone, as there is nobody that I know of around my area to work on machines now.

Thanks again!

Mick

[CowboyBob]

If you tap it be careful were you hit it.Also put some oil all the way around were the bobbincase stes ,this will help loosen it up.

You an call any time tomorrow 8-4 est time.

Bob

[mickt]

Hi Bob, thanks for the quick reply with help.

I'm not sure i'm understanding correctly sense i'm not use to all the names of the parts but I think I can figure it out.

I'm not sure what you are reffering to by the needle plate.

What I have done so far is realined the hook thingy ( I hate to use this word but I don't know at this time what it is called I think this may be what you are calling the hook.) so the bobbin case can hit it so I would be able to put a little presure on the case to help break it free by rocking the machine back and forth by the hand wheel. So for that has not helped and I have not applied a lot of preasure or forced it in fear of breaking something. I also applied machine oil to the sides, and bottom of the bobbin case.

I also can not find any thread or anything else that may be keeping it from turning.

It appears to me that the bobbin case is in there pretty tight, is there another way to break it free? I bet this is a NO, NO but is there a way to use a peice of plastic to gentley tap the bobbin case to help free it, if so how do I hold the suttle from turning?

It looks to me that freeing up the bobbin case is the frist thing I need to do, and work on the other problems. In my area I do not have any repair person to work on these type machines so I well have to try to do it myself.

Bob, would it be ok to call you? If so let me know what times are best for you.

I also believe I will need some new part for the machine.

Thaks again for your time, it means a lot to me.

Mick

Not sure how to use the forum so I put my update here.

Ok, things are looking better! Wife a little happer now also!

I did the NO, NO, Idea, took a small plastic rod, and used the handle end of a screw driver as a hammer, had the wife hold the hand wheel and gave it a few light taps, worked like a charm. Now the bobbin case is free and turning smoothly. Made the wife a little happer. I think she thinks I bought a lemon LOL!

Ok got the bobbin case free, inserted a new needle and checked that the hook was running about where it should. loaded the bobbin and tryed the pick up of the bobbin with the top thread.I had a hard time picking up the bobbin thread with the neddle all the way down but it does pick up the bobbin thread with the neddle in the up position.

Ok so for so good, I put some materal in it and tried to sew and get nothing, no stiches at all in the materal. So for this is as for as I have gotten.

As for as tenstion goes, I had the top thread pretty tight but the bobbin tenstion is pretty loose. I know I need to play with the tenstion on both ends to get it just right, but not being use to the machine make it a little hard for me.

The little screw that tightens the tenstion on the bobbin is screwed in all the way but I got a new one yesterday when I got the right needles for the machine so I guess I need to replace it before I go any further.

I don't know if I lost my timing or not and not sure how to time it or if I can.

Also can someone tell me how tight to have the motor pully belt, when I hook up the belt to the machine it make the hand wheel really had to turn, also if I losen the belt will it help to slow the machine down. This machine is fast or at least i'm not use to it yet. ( been a long time since I used a machine.

Thanks to everyone for the help so for!

Mick

PS: After looking at some of the leather you all do, I think you have me hooked to try some leather work! Some really nice work. I'll be asking questions on how to get started after I get the machine going.