BOB BRENNER

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    Black Forest, CO

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    CUSTOM SADDLEMAKER
  1. Powder River saddle

    Power River Saddles was the store brand for the Denver Dry Goods Co. Denver Dry Goods was the major department store in Denver Co. They also owned the Heiser Saddle Co before selling it to Keyston Bros.
  2. Barry King dot so-what

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  3. Saddle Making Help Needed

    Do not want to discourage you In the project, but would advise that you do not use the tree pictured. Some of the rawhide lace stitching is broken and and there are a couple of places the rawhide is beginning to fracture. You are going to spend $1000.00 give or take in materials with a tree that questionable. Could endup as an expensive decoration.
  4. Advice

    An hourly labor rate based on the national median household income is $50.00 (rounded up) and the household poverty hourly labor rate is $17.00 (rounded up). So with 2 hours removing the stitches and 5 hours replacing them (7 hours of labor) - between $119.00 and $350.00 for labor. If one adds in overhead expense then $207.00 to $438.00. At minimum wage it would be $ 77.00 plus $88.00 for overhead or $165.00.
  5. WHAT THE @!@#!#~!

    You might look into Goliger Leather in Ventura CA. 6-7 OZ "A" grade is $9.49 a foot.
  6. Wyo-Sheen and Quick Slik?

    Barry King
  7. McClellan Saddle Books

    Matt, You need to find the Ordnance Memoranda for the model of McClellan you have. These Memoranda should give you the details. For example, stirrup leathers in the 1891 Memoranda are 1 3/8" wide, cut length is 56" with a finished length of 53"
  8. removing stirrup leathers martha josey saddle

    Generally, when stirrup leathers are attached with a bolt, a "TEE" nut is used. The "TEE" nut is set into the bottom of the bar and has prongs that hold it in place. If these prongs were bent on installation or not griping the bolt and nut will spin. You will have to drop the skirts and replace the "TEE" nut. Depending on the construction method you may have to cut out the fiberglass covering to replace the nut. It is a pain in the rear end. This method of attaching the stirrup leathers is a take off of the Fallis balance ride saddle known as the Monty Forman saddle. When this happens I charge double my regular charge for replacing the leathers. You will spend more time fixing the nut than replacing the leathers. Have fun. Bob
  9. Weaver Leather Supply

    Got an interesting letter from Weaver today. As of April 1, 2016 if your do not buy $1,200.00 in 2016 you will lose your wholesale account. You will be able to buy at retail or you can buy a wholesale membership for $200.00 that is non-refundable. Can you say super Tandy?
  10. Can A Western Saddle Seat Be Replaced?

    Yes it can be done, but the cost will probably be more than the saddle is worth. Replace the seat $500.00 to $700.00. Replace fenders $240.00 to $300.00. So could spend $740.00 to $1,000.00 and have a saddle worth $400.00. Best to look for a new saddle.
  11. Saddle Strings

    I agree with Keith’s thoughts. Saddle making in my observation is a time warp in respects to the old or traditional ways. If any industry is to be viable is must innovate. It has been my experience, that saddle makers by in large resist innovation. For example, should a tree that is ten times stronger, 90% lighter, with the same qualitites and at a similar price of a wood tree covered with rawhide be rejected because it is not traditional? Think carbon fiber in ten or fifteen years. As to the question at hand. I have heard and have been told many times that when building a saddle you must be very careful to not cut into the rawhide as that will weaken the rawhide and lead to failure of the tree, which I understand. But, then we drill 1/4" to 3/8” holes in some of the weakest points in the saddle tree. A cut is bad but several holes are OK? Think about it. This is something I have never understood and never received a reasonable answer other than it is traditional. If tradition is the way to go then cowboys need to do away with the internet, smart phones, GPS, etc. Just an old saddle maker’s opinion.
  12. I knew Dominic "Bingo" Sentena well. To my knowledge Bingo never built any saddles. If he did it would have been in the 1940's or 50's. Your saddle looks to be no older than 20 or so years. Bingo was a good tooler have been taught by F O Baird. Bob
  13. Light Weight Pleasure Saddle

    I use 11/13 oz in my trail saddles. What the others have said is good advice. Building a light weight saddle requires a different set of construction techniques and a different thought process than a conventional saddle. The only way you can reduce the weight is reduce the amount of materials used, i.e. 2 ½" stirrup leathers, smaller fenders, smaller round skirts, etc. It’s 5 oz here, ½ lb there, 9 oz over there, and so on. Also, you need to use a tree with a built-in seat strainer or ground seat. I have been refining my light weight trail “traditional”saddles for over twenty years and so far the best I can do is about 28 pounds fully rigged. I also, make another trail saddle with a Ralide tree “the saddle Gods are not happy” that comes in at around 24 to 25 pounds. Here are some examples. Currently about 75% of my business is trail saddles. Respectfully, Bob Brenner
  14. Bruce, I have the first copy that came off the press. They have a name for the first copy off the press but I can't remember the name. Given to me by the printer in 1980. The original printing was done by Out West Printing here in Colorado Springs. Also, have an original design and tooling pattern for a "Western" purse by FO done in 1953. A friend of mine had a saddle shop and when he got into a bind, FO would come down and get him back on track and he gave me the purse design. Bob
  15. Saddle Tree Question

    Denise and Rod, I always enjoy you insightful comments, you are ahead of the curve. Your info on flexible bars answered the question to my next research project. In your other reference the comments by Watsabaugh and Severe were very helpful. So, thanks. Also, and this is for every one. This weekend I was down at Harry Vold’s place helping them get ready for their summer run when Harry said you need to see something. I just about died. There was a saddle tree with the swell made out of a tree fork and a cantle made out of the bend in a limb. The person that gave to him said his great grandfather used it. I’m thinking around the time of the Civil War. Did not have my camera and my cell phone is an antique like me and doesn’t have one. Will get pictures this fall.