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  1. Help please! I'm trying to sell this saddle and need help identifying it. No maker's mark anywhere on it. I think it was bought for barrel racing purposes, given the seat, but am wondering if I'm wrong and it should be listed as a pleasure/trail saddle. Does anyone know its maker and/or can identify its proper classification?
  2. By the end of the week I am expecting to receive the following in the post: A cheap (Chinese made, with probable Japanese influence) beginner's sett of leather working tools from Ebay A remnant/pieces pack of leather, needles, and thread from The Identity Store A copy of "The Leatherworking Handbook" by Valerie Michael from Amazon Yet to acquire from the local chain DIY store (probably nearer the time, or on Sunday if it slips my mind before then which is likely to happen) are: wood and fixings to make a cheap stitching pony Evo-Stik Time Bond contact adhesive an Oilstone (or similar) for inevitable initial sharpening of previously mentioned tools as well as general upkeep later on miscellaneous things that catch my eye which may be helpful such as clamps, sandpaper, straight edge etc Other things yet to be appropriated into my "kit": worksurface stuff (cutting mat, poly board, granite (or similar)) decent desk lamp as most of my work will be completed in the late evening/small hours after finishing the late shift at "the day job" and goodness knows my eyes will need all the help they can get edge slicking substance graph/grid paper for when I feel up to making my own patterns bone folder type tool stitching awl Things I already have, yet to be consolidated together: poly mallet basic geometry set (ruler, square, compases etc) pencils large toolbox for storage stack of "craft" drawers for storage non-marring spudger set which I'm sure will come in handy for poking/prodding in crevices metal bodied Utility knife (and blades) Extra Virgin Olive Oil in lieu of more specialist finishes tonnes of old clothes for rags Things I will probably get at a later date once I get a feel for everything (this does not include ad hoc replacement/upgrading of any of the above when needed): butcher's block style work station (as I'll mostly be working at my 10yr old pine desk in my bedroom initially, maybe out in the shed weather permitting) relevant dyes, treatments, etc and relevant applicators basic carving tools (I do not plan on getting into this much but I guess it's always handy to be able pop a pretty border on something special) ___ I know the cost of starting a new hobby from scratch is always going to be a major consideration, but it seems leathercraft is even more so. Yes I know it's no good moaning to other people who have all been there/done that, but starting out on a shoe string is still likely to cost me upwards of £100 ($125 for you colonials ). Being the sort of person I am, often doing things on a whim, and generally cautious with cash, I do not want to go to the lengths that some do and get The Works in terms of equipment and materials to start with. I don't want to spend a small fortune on something if I don't end up getting decently into it to justify the cost. That said, it seems the general advice in terms of initial outlay is "get the best you can afford" and that's what I'm doing I suppose. I guess there are those out there who have started out with much less, and I have no need nor reason trying to justify what I'm doing. I guess in a way I'm secretly hoping that I get sufficiently good enough at the whole "leather thing" that in the long run I can start going to fairs, events, do made-to-order and the like, and be able to become (at least partially) self employed. But that's definitely a long way off. I think for me leathercraft will always be a matter of being on a shoestring, at least in the sense of trying to get the best from the least. I've always been enthralled by the way craftsmen of all disciplines in years gone-by have come up with ingenious solutions which even centuries or millennia haven't changed much, and as much as possible I want to keep what I do "low-tech": drawing up templates by hand rather than using PC software, using as traditional methods and tools as possible, and if possible trying to be authentic in style/process with any historical based pieces I produce. I (like to think) I am fairly good at improvising, and this will also keep costs down. Who needs a £40 edge slicker when a double-pronged piece of deer antler (free if you know where/when to look) will do? Or expensive black dyes if you can master the likes of vinegaroon and lampblack?
  3. Hello, I’m looking for a name for my leathercraft shop/business. I’m not quite ready to start selling yet, though I would like to have a name and website started and a stamp with my “brand” made. At the moment my Instagram is “Crooked K Leather”: I’m not so fond of it anymore because it’s not too professional. Here is my dilemma, I would have liked “Hoffman Custom Leather”: My last name is Hoffman which is practically unavailable in every realm. I could use my name or middle name but I don’t want anything too feminine. I thought of naming the business after my father from fort worth who is fighting cancer and donate but his name is Jay Lynn. Which is also a big name in the leather world: Jay lynn gore –(Circle Y, pattern designer, Tool maker etc.) So I’m Kind of stumped on name ideas. I want to keep it close to home and short: ____ custom Leather or ____ Leather. I like letters and brands for my logo. im doing western style items and want to do tack in the future. Any ideas would be appreciated.
  4. I've been doing reproduction western dress/novelty belts for some time and have found some sources for some of the buckles from the era but one design still eludes me, this 1 3/4"square clipped corner buckle, the one in the first two pictures. I know that there are reproduction buckles made out there but can't for the life of me find anyone who makes them. They come in mainly single prong but also double prong. I was wondering if anyone knew of who makes them or has any leads on where I might find them. Im doing a run of these belts for a denim company and i would love to find these. Thanks
  5. I have long dreamed of being able to make my own headstalls. The only issue is that I truly have no clue after posting here of where to begin. I would really appreciate a list of tools I should invest in. A list of materials and where I can acquire the metal pieces for the headstalls, ie: buckles and other findings. I really like the style tack that Heritage Brand, Bling My Ride, Crown Leather etc. I would really love to find someone to apprentice with or to just take lessons from. I am located in Southwest Montana, so if you or someone you know would be willing to give me some hands on help, I would be very eager to learn! I am not opposed to paying for lessons either!
  6. Hi folks. This is my first attempt at sheridan carving. I had a little problem with water spots, had to 'deglaze' and restain so that's still a bit apparent. But otherwise I feel it came out reasonably well. Please feel free to give the good, bad, and ugly. Thanks.
  7. Beautiful Lebman Saddle

    Dear All! I have a beautiful H.S Lebman saddle that is to heavy for me to manage easily!, I am asking for advice on where is the best internet site to sell it, and also what the 'circa' value, It is a 15.5" Saddle in good condition. I am sorry to have to sell it but for long distance rides its 16 kilo is too much weight! any advice much appreciated The stamp says H.S Lebman, San Antonio, Texas, and in the center of that is S.Flores and under that name I think the number 37.
  8. Making Chinks

    A friend of mine found out that I have been doing leather work. He wants me to make him a pair of chinks. I have not made a pair yet. I bought the Tandy pattern for them. Anyone got any good tips for me to get started with? IE type of leather for belt and body, size of belt.
  9. My daughter asked if I could make her a belt, so to the leather store we went. Would you expect anything less as I said she could pick anything she wanted:) I was not expecting it to be $80-100 to make a belt(that was elite pricing). Used light weight saddle skirting(12-13oz) with deertan cowhide lining, nice substantial belt. Been a little while since I posted anything….. What do y'all think????? Allan
  10. Sheridan Style Pic Frame

    Hello everyone. Been a while since I've posted and I thought I'd share my first Sheridan styled project. I just completed this Sheridan style picture frame for my wife. The pattern is by Chan Geer.Looking at framing options if anyone has done any of these before.
  11. I'm new here since August. This is a belt I made for my wife.
  12. Western Cut Out Belt/strap Machine Model Rmh - $600

    Here we have a Western Cut Out Machine Model RMH from Western Supplies Co. in St. Louis, MO. Made in USA. Cuts ends for belts or straps. Works great, comes with dyes. Some dyes need minor sharpening & replacement foam.
  13. Hello! I recently lost my horse and have been cleaning out my tackroom (selling, throwing stuff away, etc..) I have had this saddle for over 8 years and the person who gave it to me said it was at least 15 years old at the time he gave it to me. I never really used it, because it is too big for me. However, I am trying to sell it now and realize there is no brand mark or anything to tell me how much it is worth. All I know is: It is at least 15 years old leather broken in has Blevin Buckles If anyone has any information on who might have made it or how much it is worth, please let me know! (there are no brands or marks on it)
  14. Hermann Oak rubbed with oil, burnished with saddle soap. Tie-down and hammer thong for keeping the weapon safely in place. I really like this one and the hair-on cowhide strap across the front. Very comfy and the leather feels excellent.
  15. Here is a purse that I have been working on. I tooled my three Quarter horse heads on one side and a full Quarter Horse body on the other side. https://www.etsy.com...ovejoyCreations
  16. Other than a couple of knive sheaths, this is my first real leather project. I am thinking about adding some ammo loops but am not sure which method to use yet. This took much longer than I expected. I am new to this forum and would like to thank everyone for all the good tips and info found here. Without this forum, I don't think I could have done this. I am left handed and buying a store bought holster is very limited to say the least. Sorry, my pic will not attach. I am trying to figure it out.
  17. This is a Quarter horse purse that I am hand tooling. I put three different Quarter horse heads on it.
  18. Here are a few from the last week or two. It's a pretty wide variety but they all turned out OK. Thanks for looking, Josh
  19. This is one of my latest projects, I've seen a lot of the Steampunk style leather items floating around and decided to try my hand at it. First attempt not so much, but this second attempt turned out pretty good though I'm open for any critique.
  20. Howdy, I'm getting married this summer and I would like to give my groomsmen custom name belts. Specifically, I'm looking for the fairly simple vintage-y western style belts that were popular in the 70's and 80's. Oak leaves or dogwood with white lacing. See pictures below. I was hoping to not spend much over $50 per belt. I used to be able to order these from my local western shop but no one and no companies seem to be making these any more. I have found a few folks online but they are making them a bit more fancy and asking pretty steep prices. If anyone is capable and interested in this job, I am VERY serious and ready to order them! :D Thanks for your time. Rick
  21. I bought this saddle several years ago from an old drunk saddle shop owner. he had attempted to restore it but clearly didn't possess the skills to do so. it fit my horse well so I bought it for cheap. it has since been on probably 50 or so different horses and fit most. I've put a lot of hours in it and I still love it. I can't find any info whatsoever about Kenway saddles online, so I was hoping that someone here may know something. we just fixed it up and I'm curious. it measures 15" seat, 26.5" skirt, 16" swell and 6" wide. any info at all would be appreciated!
  22. Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows of a good website or book with images of leather goods from the 1800's. I am looking for a wild west type of style - practical items that people used. Such as saddle bags, belts, hand bags, and any other item that may have been common back then. Thanks!
  23. I started this on Friday and finished on Sunday. Custom border and dyed in Angelus light brown "A" and antiqued with dark brown. I think that I am really enjoying making the western holsters, think I am getting alot better.