Members Stich-It Posted April 23 Members Report Posted April 23 I just got a Chinese Leather Shoe Patcher. I have never used a machine to sew (I've done some repair work with an awl- enough to get me by), but the mechanics of the unit seems pretty simple and the issues of fit an finish can be addressed easily. I do however have a few questions- I have tried finding answers but haven't yet found what I am looking for. Maybe my ignorance is so great I don't know what to ask- but I'm willing to learn. I want to be able to make repairs to my leather work boots, stitch up saddle leather, make a belt, wallet ect.... so, mat'l thickness will run between 1/8 and maybe a bit over 1/4 inch thick. (I am guessing at one needle thread combo for lighter leather, one for heavier?) What type of thread, type (size?) needle, brand would be appropriate for for my purpose (this is where I am totally ignorant, sizes, materials, number systems) I went to a local supply house and I got blank stares in response to my questions followed by "Needles and thread are in aisle D, good luck". (Suggestions on who to order from, I would like quality materials, please?) Also- what the heck do you do with the loose ends of threads from the very first stitch? (see how deep my ignorance runs!) I have seen back stitching on the finish side, but nothing for the loose thread at the start? Thank you Stich-It Quote
Members Constabulary Posted April 23 Members Report Posted April 23 first of all - what "chinese" leather patcher do you have, some pictures may help. Is it a Singer clone? Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Stich-It Posted April 23 Author Members Report Posted April 23 the unit looks like the above machine Thank you Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted April 23 CFM Report Posted April 23 (edited) I use Tex 90 or Tex 135 and a 135 needle. i think that is the largest needle and thread you can get for that machine. It will look small on belts, holsters, and such. good on wallets, shoes, and small stuff. I buy from the thread exchange online. Oh, and back stitch the beginning the same as the end. Edited April 23 by chuck123wapati Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Stich-It Posted April 23 Author Members Report Posted April 23 Do these look like the correct items to order? Thank you- I am trying to read up as I have time... theres a lot to learn. Code: BPT138BLA104Bn Bonded Polyester - Size 138 (Tex 135) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 750 Yards ⋮ Save to Wish List 14.29 Bonded Polyester - Size 138 (Tex 135) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 750 Yards Quantity Quantity $14.29 Code: BPT092BLA104Bn Bonded Polyester - Size 92 (Tex 90) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 1050 Yards ⋮ Save to Wish List 14.29 Bonded Polyester - Size 92 (Tex 90) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 1050 Yards Quantity Quantity $14.29 Code: NDL-135X16-21RTWLR Organ Needle 135x16 - Size 130 / 21 - LR Point - a.k.a. 135x16 NRTW - 10 Pack ⋮ Save to Wish List 5.79 Organ Needle 135x16 - Size 130 / 21 - LR Point - a.k.a. 135x16 NRTW - 10 Pack Quantity Quantity $5.79 Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted April 23 CFM Report Posted April 23 54 minutes ago, Stich-It said: Do these look like the correct items to order? Thank you- I am trying to read up as I have time... theres a lot to learn. Code: BPT138BLA104Bn Bonded Polyester - Size 138 (Tex 135) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 750 Yards ⋮ Save to Wish List 14.29 Bonded Polyester - Size 138 (Tex 135) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 750 Yards Quantity Quantity $14.29 Code: BPT092BLA104Bn Bonded Polyester - Size 92 (Tex 90) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 1050 Yards ⋮ Save to Wish List 14.29 Bonded Polyester - Size 92 (Tex 90) - Black (Serabond 7020U) - 4-Oz Spool - 1050 Yards Quantity Quantity $14.29 Code: NDL-135X16-21RTWLR Organ Needle 135x16 - Size 130 / 21 - LR Point - a.k.a. 135x16 NRTW - 10 Pack ⋮ Save to Wish List 5.79 Organ Needle 135x16 - Size 130 / 21 - LR Point - a.k.a. 135x16 NRTW - 10 Pack Quantity Quantity $5.79 The thread looks good. Here are the needles i think you have the right ones. https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=NEEDLE-SYSTEM-Shoe+Patcher+HAx1 Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted April 23 CFM Report Posted April 23 Use some good lithium grease on the roller bearing tracks and wear points. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
kgg Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stich-It said: Do these look like the correct items to order? You will probably have to raise the needle bar about 5mm to get the system 135 x 16 needles to work properly in the "Tinkers Delight" so it picks up the bobbin thread. kgg Edited April 23 by kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members dikman Posted April 23 Members Report Posted April 23 There have been quite a few posts on here about these little sewers, lots of youtube videos and I think a forum (or two?) devoted to them. Generally, to get the best out of them they need to be gone over to smooth out rough castings and improve the fit and finish. They have a small bobbin so you will be limited in trying to do long stitch runs. The foot is vicious and will mark leather. These were made for street vendors in Asia who do quick repairs so are pretty basic, but that being said they are an interesting little machine. Mine came setup to use standard domestic sewing machine needles. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Stich-It Posted April 23 Author Members Report Posted April 23 I plan on tearing this down and going through it thoroughly- that's easy work on my end... and something I am looking forward to. Grease here, oil there, polish this and grind that... I have watched a few videos, read on the forums some too, but most everything requires more knowledge than I have on the sewing end. Thread sizes, needle sizes, numbering systems, nomenclature ect... is beyond me. Thats where I need help to just get going. I was wondering about the small bobbin issue and was curious is there is a way to feed a second spool into the bottom instead? anyway, I really appreciate the input Quote
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