entiendo Report post Posted March 14, 2009 So I didn't aim quite as high as a full size quirt but I wanted to show you all that I was finally able to braid that 12 plait with success. Thank you so much for all your help! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windy Report post Posted March 14, 2009 And what a fine job. Looks real nice. WINDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedge Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Really nice job! I like your design, as well. The only critique I have is your end knot. 'tis a bit uneven. But, hey, first cut at 12 plait and you did admirably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwright Report post Posted March 14, 2009 That's pretty slick man. It's good to see again that it can be done. I'm takin' a butt kickin' on trying to braid 16 plait hobbles with nylon cord! Keep it up and share any tips you picked up with us that are still struggling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Sure millwright, but I'm not ready for 16 yet! The trick on the 12 plait for me was going under the first 2, rather than over. Then my strings could stay a bit more forward if that makes sense. I'm not sure if that's a possibility for 16. Which end button is crooked, perhaps I can reshape it? I want to do things as best I can ya know and I love it when I get suggestions to make things better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedge Report post Posted March 15, 2009 Sure millwright, but I'm not ready for 16 yet! The trick on the 12 plait for me was going under the first 2, rather than over. Then my strings could stay a bit more forward if that makes sense. I'm not sure if that's a possibility for 16.Which end button is crooked, perhaps I can reshape it? I want to do things as best I can ya know and I love it when I get suggestions to make things better. The one above the Spanish ring knot. It's just that the 'V's are tending to wrap around the knot. Too late to adjust it. Best done when the knot is being tightened. No worries, though. The whole thing looks really fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 15, 2009 The one above the Spanish ring knot. It's just that the 'V's are tending to wrap around the knot. Too late to adjust it. Best done when the knot is being tightened. No worries, though. The whole thing looks really fine. gosh, I wish I knew what that meant. But thank you, I'm quite fond of the design. I really like quirts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted March 15, 2009 gosh, I wish I knew what that meant. But thank you, I'm quite fond of the design. I really like quirts. He is talking about the end by the popper vs the end by the ring. The long pineapple the Vs are not in perfect alignment, I wouldn't have notice if Hedge hadn't pointed it out and I looked close. If you just want you ego stroked, looks great man! If you are looking to move to perfection the one knot is a tad uneven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 15, 2009 smart a**...LOL....I'm going to have to get a closer look at that knot. I knew what knot he meant but I can't see what Hedge is seeing, and I want to see it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedge Report post Posted March 15, 2009 smart a**...LOL....I'm going to have to get a closer look at that knot. I knew what knot he meant but I can't see what Hedge is seeing, and I want to see it! Maybe this will help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 15, 2009 Maybe this will help. There ya go!!! Bingo. I get it now. Thank you very much, to be honest I've never give that much thought, now you are going to have me making sure my turks head is all in alignment, cool! That's why I love this site! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedge Report post Posted March 15, 2009 There ya go!!! Bingo. I get it now. Thank you very much, to be honest I've never give that much thought, now you are going to have me making sure my turks head is all in alignment, cool! That's why I love this site! You're very welcome. It's great to see such enthusiasm! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esson Report post Posted March 18, 2009 So I didn't aim quite as high as a full size quirt but I wanted to show you all that I was finally able to braid that 12 plait with success. Thank you so much for all your help!I have to ask some questions here, first of all this IS beautiful! Does this have a core? and if so how big? Are these 1/8" wide strands? What is the number of strands going around the ring? Thanks for answering some of these questions for this newbie! Esson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 19, 2009 I have to ask some questions here, first of all this IS beautiful! Does this have a core? and if so how big? Are these 1/8" wide strands? What is the number of strands going around the ring? Thanks for answering some of these questions for this newbie! Esson Yes, it has a core. It's a 3/16" core wrapped with waxed string. Without wrapping it in waxed string it wouldn't feel like quirt. The strings are 3/32". It's a 4 plait around the ring. But I wish it was a bit longer. I actually made a bit of a mistake and didn't give myself enough string to do that 4 plait. I don't know why but when I started the 12 plait I only gave myself enough string to do a terminal knot. Lack of experience I suppose. I cut part of the core so I could braid the little bit you see there. With the remaining 8 strings I did a turnback or back braid, and also did the same with the 4 strings from the 4 plait and then put the button over it all. Here is another one I did but I like the loop for the ring much better and you can tell it's a 4 plait. Still back braided into the main core for security. And thank you very much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rawhide1 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 entiendo Nice work!! I really like the brown and black color combo. It looks like ya got it whiped I can't wait to see the full size version. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted March 19, 2009 entiendoNice work!! I really like the brown and black color combo. It looks like ya got it whiped I can't wait to see the full size version. Mike Thank you, thank you, thank you, and I really appreciate all the help and patience you have shown me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esson Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Yes, it has a core. It's a 3/16" core wrapped with waxed string. Without wrapping it in waxed string it wouldn't feel like quirt. The strings are 3/32". It's a 4 plait around the ring. But I wish it was a bit longer. I actually made a bit of a mistake and didn't give myself enough string to do that 4 plait. I don't know why but when I started the 12 plait I only gave myself enough string to do a terminal knot. Lack of experience I suppose. I cut part of the core so I could braid the little bit you see there. With the remaining 8 strings I did a turnback or back braid, and also did the same with the 4 strings from the 4 plait and then put the button over it all. Here is another one I did but I like the loop for the ring much better and you can tell it's a 4 plait. Still back braided into the main core for security. And thank you very much. Thank you for all this info. I think I understand most of it. Corey Esson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KnotHead Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Maybe this will help. In the first project. Referring to the bottom Pineapple Knot. Sometimes from my own experience, I have found that if the core underneath the knot is out of balance, or not properly shaped it can cause those misalignment's like you see with the V's. I have noticed with my own trial and error that the core can cause that kind of problem. Especially if you're using the waxed seine twine to build up the core to the shape you want. I am thinking that this is most likely what happened in that particular instance. But I have been known to be totally wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entiendo Report post Posted April 6, 2009 In the first project. Referring to the bottom Pineapple Knot. Sometimes from my own experience, I have found that if the core underneath the knot is out of balance, or not properly shaped it can cause those misalignment's like you see with the V's. I have noticed with my own trial and error that the core can cause that kind of problem. Especially if you're using the waxed seine twine to build up the core to the shape you want. I am thinking that this is most likely what happened in that particular instance. But I have been known to be totally wrong. You could very well be right knothead. Even though that piece is just a key chain I really wanted a quirt feel to it so it's wrapped in waxed string and rolled until I thought it was nice and smooth, then back braided a bit and then rolled again. I could have missed something that threw off the shape a bit. I have a 12 plait real quirt in progress right now, I haven't been about to work on it in over a week but I'm hoping to avoid the same mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites