MarkB Report post Posted March 23, 2009 I just finished this one today. Thought you might like to take a look. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hidepounder Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Looks real good, Mark, nice and clean. Do you prefer to line with latigo? Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkB Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Yes I think it turns sweat better or it seem to. This is the 5th one I have made like this. Thank you for the comments. What do you line yours with? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hidepounder Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Most of mine are just doubled because that's the way they are ordered....but I like latigo too, as long as it's good latigo. I think it does a good job of repelling sweat, also. A local saddlemaker here uses a pre-finished pigskin when he lines his fenders. He found that it repelled sweat better than latigo and is using it a lot. I haven't tried that yet, but have seen it work on fenders....I was impressed! Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crystal Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Very nice, Mark. I like the contrast you got from using the latigo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwister09 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Bob, What is his name? I have been told that on fenders and headstalls by two different saddlemakers. Regards, Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Brewer Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Mark, nice job on the headstall.I like to line with latigo also Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg gomersall Report post Posted March 23, 2009 I have been using a veg tanned pig to line my back cinches , billets, martingales etc of 10 or 12 years now. i like the way it handles the sweat. Tennessee Tanning was the tanner but they quit doing it last year due to the fact it wasn't a big seller. I managed to buy a large quanity of it from them dirt cheap when i discovered they were discontinuing it. I also make some headstalls, slobber straps spur straps etc. out of it. On these I line them with regular strap leather just to increase the strength a little. It will case up and set stamp quite nice. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwister09 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Greg, Well that's good to know that there are more saddlemakers that use the pigskin for the same reason.... Have you started to locate a new source for the pigskin? Regards, Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg gomersall Report post Posted March 23, 2009 No i havn't Ben. I hope I enough hoarded to last me several years. Greg P.S. give Luke and Vandy a call at Sheridan i know they got in on the close out and had some in stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwister09 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Thanks Greg! I have a couple left myself. I will have to remember that fir when I ran out. I also use them a bunch for liners. Regards, Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkB Report post Posted March 24, 2009 I have been using a veg tanned pig to line my back cinches , billets, martingales etc of 10 or 12 years now. i like the way it handles the sweat. Tennessee Tanning was the tanner but they quit doing it last year due to the fact it wasn't a big seller. I managed to buy a large quanity of it from them dirt cheap when i discovered they were discontinuing it. I also make some headstalls, slobber straps spur straps etc. out of it. On these I line them with regular strap leather just to increase the strength a little. It will case up and set stamp quite nice. Greg Greg What is the weight on that pig hide? Always looking for something better. Sounds hard to find but worth it. Thanks Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg gomersall Report post Posted March 24, 2009 stuff i have is 8/9 oz. and 6/7 oz. If sheridan is sold out good luck finding any as tennessee tanning quit producing it a year ago. i pulled a Harwood and stocked up. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Bell Report post Posted March 24, 2009 stuff i have is 8/9 oz. and 6/7 oz. If sheridan is sold out good luck finding any as tennessee tanning quit producing it a year ago. i pulled a Harwood and stocked up. Greg Greg, that's funny, You pulled a "Harwood" I guess we've entered a new phrase to the English language! For those that don't know Dale Harwood managed to stock up on some real nice Latigo leather and also some linen thread when the US manufactures were quitting production. I think he bought ALL of the final run on the latigo and has enough to last another 10 yrs or so. Dale has a few other things 'you can't get anymore' that help make his saddles unique. Vaya Con Dios, Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryano Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Looks great! How did you cut it out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkB Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Looks great! How did you cut it out? I use a round knife on most of the things I make. For me I get a better cut in one pass. With other knives it seem that it takes a couple of passes that do not always match up. I say use what work for me. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbird Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Very nice work Mark thanks for posting. Josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echo4V Report post Posted March 24, 2009 First let me say that's a beaut of a headstall. Second let me pose a question...I have found out here (GA) that headstalls with chicago screws for holding the bit are going out of style again, people seem to be going back to leather ties or even buckles ( personally I have always prefered buckles because I ride a lot of different horses and can change bits easier), so my question is are you seeing the same trend in your area? Are people moving away from chicago screws in their head stalls or is it just in my area? I did notice about 10-12 yrs ago buckles and strings were more in style but they fell out of style and are now coming back. Do you folks with more experience than me see this pattern often? David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hidepounder Report post Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Bob,What is his name? I have been told that on fenders and headstalls by two different saddlemakers. Regards, Ben His name is George Rios, Ben. About 10 or 12 years ago, Jill needed a new saddle to cowhorse in and she wanted me to tool it. ( I hadn't tooled anything in 20 years). So I went to George,( he rolled his eyes when I told him that I wanted to tool it) he built the saddle and I tooled it. When I picked it up he had lined the fenders with this pig skin that was pre-finished. It is a similar color to latigo...maybe 4/5 oz. and completely sacrificial. I've been really impressed at how well it repelled sweat. It's lighter weight than latigo, too. Bob Edited March 24, 2009 by hidepounder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkB Report post Posted March 24, 2009 First let me say that's a beaut of a headstall.Second let me pose a question...I have found out here (GA) that headstalls with chicago screws for holding the bit are going out of style again, people seem to be going back to leather ties or even buckles ( personally I have always prefered buckles because I ride a lot of different horses and can change bits easier), so my question is are you seeing the same trend in your area? Are people moving away from chicago screws in their head stalls or is it just in my area? I did notice about 10-12 yrs ago buckles and strings were more in style but they fell out of style and are now coming back. Do you folks with more experience than me see this pattern often? David Well David Thanks for the comments. As too your question on the chicago screws I have not seen any real trend here, but with that said, I don't make large numbers of them. I see all types of headstalls with all types of ways to attach even the quick change type (both in all leather and with a dee ring).I do mostly custom work so it's what the customer wants. This one went to GA for a drawing held at the Southeastern Buckaroo Association's Top Hand Cow Working Series. I use the chicago screws on my own headstalls but you have to put thread locker on them or they will come a part. If you change bits a lot I would use the buckles more also. David do you see many headstalls with brass hardware in your neck of the woods? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtwister09 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Thanks Bob. I have only seen one of his saddles and that was many years ago. Unfortunately I was not paying attention to the backside of the fenders to determine the type of leather. Thanks again. Regards, Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echo4V Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Mark- I don't normally see a lot of brass on tack at all in GA. However, I'm originally from KY and I see more brass up there than here. I think it's because of the humidity difference though because brass tends to corrode in GA much more than in KY. Stainless is king in GA in KY it's more evenly split. david Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunningRoan Report post Posted April 14, 2009 That's a very nice headstall! Question... I like a liner because I do feel it repells the sweat and helps preserve the leather. I'm wanting to try my hand at making a headstall and I'd prefer it be a nice veg tan on top (so I can do a little bit of tooling) and lined with latigo. So what weight of veg tan and what weight of latigo would be best? I've tried looking at the lined headstalls that I own and use, but the edges have been burnished and it's hard to tell just how thick each type of leather is. I saw some nice oily chap leather the other day and really liked the way it felt (kinda buttery), but wasn't sure if it was the proper weight for lining tack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkB Report post Posted April 15, 2009 That's a very nice headstall!Question... I like a liner because I do feel it repells the sweat and helps preserve the leather. I'm wanting to try my hand at making a headstall and I'd prefer it be a nice veg tan on top (so I can do a little bit of tooling) and lined with latigo. So what weight of veg tan and what weight of latigo would be best? I've tried looking at the lined headstalls that I own and use, but the edges have been burnished and it's hard to tell just how thick each type of leather is. I saw some nice oily chap leather the other day and really liked the way it felt (kinda buttery), but wasn't sure if it was the proper weight for lining tack. Runningroan I have been using 9/10 oz Hermann Oak strap and A alum burgundy latigo that is 4/6 oz. I like the feel of this combo it is soft and supple. There are no set in stone rule for the weight on a headstall. I have some hackamore horses that I hide with a hanger that is just latigo of 4/6 oz. I also ride some colts in the ring snaffle with doubled 12oz + harness leather. You will have to take a headstall you like and figure the thickness then find the combo of leather that will equals that as close as possible. IMHO you have to take it to account the type of headstall (show,work tooled, or plain.) The type of headgear that you will use on the headstall, snaffle, hackamore, or spade style bit. I hope that helps you a little. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
