jcuk Report post Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) 've been buying Doc Martens for 32 years It was not a rite of passage but it was a bit of a statement in Greece where i grew up. Just finished the look for all kids who wanted to be a little different. Competition is just better at the mo I do know that brand but they had to to be real thing there are lots of dare i say Air wear boots over here some others are a lot cheaper not all are not that bad at all the soles being impervious are also main factor in a stable block looking at tack that needs repairs. So now not just a fashion statement. The first three pairs i owned i never wore out just grew out of them. But time to get back on AWL MAKERS Cheers JCUK Edited September 5, 2020 by jcuk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybopp Report post Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Frodo said: I have one of yours. To me, It is worth more than 50 bucks in sentimental value alone. , It is a tool i will PROUDLY hand off to one of the boys but. the sob has poked my dam finger twice already. lol i was flicking the blood at my wife and she hit me. I need to turn her in on a red flag charge....NO wait. They will take my..Never mind I will just endure the beatings like a good husband LoL Contrary to what some may say, blood on your leather work is NOT a value add feature. You will know that your awl is TRULY sharp when it goes through several thick layers, into your finger and you don't even feel it! And yes, for sure, happy wife - happy life. Take the beating and fake a few tears and ouchies - then walk away and grin! - Bill Edited September 5, 2020 by billybopp Oopsie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcuk Report post Posted September 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Spyros said: What do you guys have against chisels? Nothing, but once you learn how to use a awl you will know. JCUK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyros Report post Posted September 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, jcuk said: Nothing, but once you learn how to use a awl you will know. JCUK That's ok I'd rather not know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybopp Report post Posted September 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spyros said: That's ok I'd rather not know There are situations where chisels are just much more difficult to use than an awl would be. Because of that, it's a good plan to be at least reasonably comfortable using an awl. - Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcuk Report post Posted September 5, 2020 3 hours ago, billybopp said: There are situations where chisels are just much more difficult to use than an awl would be. Because of that, it's a good plan to be at least reasonably comfortable using an awl. - Bill Agreed Better to have that skill than not. A good way to learn to use an awl is to use your chisels on the top layer and practice to use the awl through the second layer of leather. And no that's not how i was taught i was taught how the double hand stitch/saddle stitch from scratch no chisels in them days. JCUK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted September 6, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 5:34 AM, jcuk said: Nothing, but once you learn how to use a awl you will know. JCUK LOL before i made a good awl i used chisels now i can make 6 holes with my awl through three layers faster than trying to wrestle my 6 prong chisel out of one layer. Dont get me wrong i'll use chisels also when needed but that is getting to be less and less with awl practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted September 6, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 5:24 AM, billybopp said: Contrary to what some may say, blood on your leather work is NOT a value add feature. You will know that your awl is TRULY sharp when it goes through several thick layers, into your finger and you don't even feel it! And yes, for sure, happy wife - happy life. Take the beating and fake a few tears and ouchies - then walk away and grin! - Bill LOL i shoulda sent some bandages. Yes i too found out how sharp they are the same way. Take everyone's advice and drink a bottle of wine or offer it to your wife as an apology then use the cork instead of your finger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frodo Report post Posted September 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: LOL i shoulda sent some bandages. Yes i too found out how sharp they are the same way. Take everyone's advice and drink a bottle of wine or offer it to your wife as an apology then use the cork instead of your finger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyros Report post Posted September 7, 2020 10 hours ago, chuck123wapati said: LOL before i made a good awl i used chisels now i can make 6 holes with my awl through three layers faster than trying to wrestle my 6 prong chisel out of one layer. Dont get me wrong i'll use chisels also when needed but that is getting to be less and less with awl practice. 10 prong KS Blades solved that for me. Not cheaply though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcuk Report post Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, chuck123wapati said: LOL before i made a good awl i used chisels now i can make 6 holes with my awl through three layers faster than trying to wrestle my 6 prong chisel out of one layer. Dont get me wrong i'll use chisels also when needed but that is getting to be less and less with awl practice. Glad hear your getting used to working with a awl, i brought some stitching chisels just to see what the fuss was they are ok but not for me, but can see the attraction to some who have been trying to learn to stitch with a awl from just watching Youtube videos, seeing peoples nice work posted here done with using said chisels looking for a easier method to achieve a better looking stitch i had the luxury of hands on teaching. The other thing you will find with using a awl is you get to feel the integrity of the leather you are working on very important for most of my work, saddlery would never advise anyone to use chisels for that kind of work and plus think chisels are ok for light to medium work not heavy work where safety is a issue. My awls are nothing fancy just good old working tools. JCUK Edited September 7, 2020 by jcuk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcuk Report post Posted September 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Spyros said: 10 prong KS Blades solved that for me. Not cheaply though... Try it through 3 layers of 4mm + then you will see. Yes you can do the 3 layers one layer at a time but on a bigger job very time consuming marking three layers to line up correctly, when you only need to do one layer if you can use awl. Oh my Awls all around a tenner each. JCUK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted September 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Spyros said: 10 prong KS Blades solved that for me. Not cheaply though... The number of holes wasn't the issue. I can do ten holes through multiple layers quicker that a chisel also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyros Report post Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jcuk said: Try it through 3 layers of 4mm + then you will see. Yes you can do the 3 layers one layer at a time but on a bigger job very time consuming marking three layers to line up correctly, when you only need to do one layer if you can use awl. Oh my Awls all around a tenner each. JCUK I make bags, I don't do that. I'll keep it in mind if I start making... whatever it is that requires over a centimetre of leather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paloma Report post Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) The last creation of J.David the finest blade in the range width: 1.4mm Edited October 20, 2020 by paloma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paloma Report post Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Edited October 20, 2020 by paloma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slipangle Report post Posted October 20, 2020 Don't log in here much but wanted to comment on those Jerome David awl hafts. Just beautiful. As someone who has dabbled in awl making, and wood and metal work in general, I'd love to see how he constructs these. Just for my own curiosity. Here are a few I made a couple of years ago, and sold some of them here. Haven't made one in some time. Utilizing the Starrett pin vise and the nickel silver collar I turn makes these considerably heavier than Titanium, I would think. Awl hafts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slipangle Report post Posted October 20, 2020 I'm also fascinated by his blades. Diamond shaped blade but sharpened to a chisel point. I'll definitely have to try that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paloma Report post Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) I don't know how he makes them but all I know is that these tools are evil! Edited October 20, 2020 by paloma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted October 20, 2020 Those J. David awls are certainly beautiful looking, and yes, I'm curious how he makes them too. Slipangle, you did a nice job on those, they look great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomMeyers Report post Posted October 20, 2020 My awl has a nice small feature: a dent in the wood handle that I use to push my needle. Also, the point is fine enough that I can use it to pull the needle eye to get a tight needle through; gently so I dont break the needle with the awl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klara Report post Posted April 22, 2021 If it doesn't fit, it'll be made to fit. I ordered a new awl haft, hopefully solid enough (the one I inhereted is coming apart) and when it arrived I found it too big for my hand. This one: https://vergez-blanchard.fr/en/awl-handle-with-chuck/1929-spare-chuck-handle-for-edge-beveler.html I could have sent it back, but then I still wouldn't have had a usable awl. So instead I spent an evening with some tools and a morning with linseed oil, and now I have a haft made to measure. The red one is the old one which I now find too small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) I make my own blade included, i find the curved handle allows me to position the blade so when it fits the hand its in perfect alignment, don't need to look just grab it and go. I just bought a new lathe so turning handles will be in my future. Edited April 22, 2021 by chuck123wapati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frodo Report post Posted April 22, 2021 That man chuck, i aint lie not one bit. He makes a good awl fits my paw perfect. he even has the angle of the blade oriented to the angle of the handle so every time you pick it up it just naturally falls into the correct line up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted April 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Frodo said: That man chuck, i aint lie not one bit. He makes a good awl fits my paw perfect. he even has the angle of the blade oriented to the angle of the handle so every time you pick it up it just naturally falls into the correct line up. Thank you friend i appreciate the kind words! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
