If you thought that was offensive .......

[Frodo]

3 hours ago, 2Hill said:

Or maybe the dog, regardless of it's colour, was free to roam around the inside of the car.Possibly causing a dangerous condition by interfering with her ability to safely control the car?

Seat Belt Laws Matter!!!

[Northmount]

On 6/14/2020 at 7:05 PM, Rhale said:

The moderator who took off all my posts in this discussion without removing anyone else must believe in censorship!

I just checked the history of moderator actions in this thread, and there are none.  None of your posts in this thread have been deleted or hidden.  You are very close to becoming moderated so watch your comments.

Tom

[Frodo]

Just for grins.  i looked at the BLOG about the BLACK dog  and found something rather interesting

Seems the Township has dog laws.  one of them is a dog [animal]  must be restrained in a vehicle.

It wasnt racism.  they were seeing a large unrestrained dog. 

 

 

 

Edited June 15 by Frodo

[Frodo]

13 minutes ago, Northmount said:

I just checked the history of moderator actions in this thread, and there are none.  None of your posts in this thread have been deleted or hidden.  You are very close to becoming moderated so watch your comments.

Tom

I humbly bow to you 

I have moderated 4 sites and I would have issued a Caribbean Vacation 

You have more compassion and patience than I do

 

[Northmount]

2 minutes ago, Frodo said:

You have more compassion and patience than I do

Thanks, not often I get such a comment.  I try to not over react and give people some space; sometimes have to leave it for a day or so to let it cool off a bit!

Tom

[Frodo]

52 minutes ago, Northmount said:

Thanks, not often I get such a comment.  I try to not over react and give people some space; sometimes have to leave it for a day or so to let it cool off a bit!

Tom

 

I had a lady one time that put the Mods on her Ignore list.  Then proceeded to cuss every body , She thought she could not be moderated on ignore

In the words of a  20th century great American poet............

 

 

[Rhale]

I apologize to all concerned after calming down and looking farther no one cancelled or removed any of my posts, please accept this old mans apology and I will bow out of this entire conversation! So sorry and thanks for your patience and consideration. Thanks Rodney 

[Northmount]

1 hour ago, Rhale said:

I apologize to all concerned after calming down and looking farther no one cancelled or removed any of my posts, please accept this old mans apology and I will bow out of this entire conversation! So sorry and thanks for your patience and consideration. Thanks Rodney 

Thanks Rodney, your apology is appreciated and welcome.  Look forward to your posts about leather work.

Tom

[fredk]

Right, now thats settled can we get back to the serious offensive stuff?  

To take somat someone has said; Killing is wrong. No its not. Murder is wrong, killing in defence or in war is not wrong. I will, and may have done, kill any terrorist who tries to kill me, my family or any person in my community

Edited June 15 by fredk

[chuck123wapati]

23 hours ago, Frodo said:

Just for grins.  i looked at the BLOG about the BLACK dog  and found something rather interesting

Seems the Township has dog laws.  one of them is a dog [animal]  must be restrained in a vehicle.

It wasnt racism.  they were seeing a large unrestrained dog. 

 

 

 

Ahhh facts where would we be without them. oh yea we would be believing "stories".

[Art]

On 6/15/2020 at 11:34 AM, Northmount said:

Thanks, not often I get such a comment.  I try to not over react and give people some space; sometimes have to leave it for a day or so to let it cool off a bit!

Tom

Well, I hid the KMA post, even though I couldn't figure out what got him heated up, and what got deleted. We never REALLY delete anything.

Art

[Quasimodo]

On ‎6‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 3:42 AM, chuck123wapati said:

If racism was a problem in America why didn't this come during the last presidents terms of office. And why was an African American even elected president to begin with oh yea because its not really about racism.  Answer because it isn't about race its about politics!!!! and who will vote for whom. Its media driven plain and simple.

 

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I must say I have enormously enjoyed the reasoned logic of Frodo and yourself on this thread. Reason is a rather "offensive" tool in contemporary political discourse. A model for discussion was formed in 1895 by a collaboration of communists in, "The Anti-Rationalists Movement" after 20 years of mashing their genius' together. Immediately out of that movement grew the, "Progressive Movement in 1896 and the Fascist Movement finally coalesced in by communists Geovani Gentile (doctrine) and George Eugene Sorel (street violence specialist). How to debate? Don't do it, obfuscate! Their conclusion:

1) Never directly debate any issue.

2) Wrap every argument in drama and emotion

3) Destroy your opponent. 

20 years of genius came up with that! But it has lasted to this day and is the reason why discourse has descended into insults and pejoratives, simply because the political left has systematically demanded facts and reason are unreasonable, perhaps defined as racist, bigoted, fascist, etc. Unfortunately the political left and globalist have adopted the Dunning-Kruger Effect (syndrome) as a religious practice; the more one practices "social justice" through virtue-signaling, the more intellectual they perceive themselves. 

[Frodo]

7 hours ago, Quasimodo said:

I must say I have enormously enjoyed the reasoned logic of Frodo and yourself on this thread. Reason is a rather "offensive" tool in contemporary political discourse. A model for discussion was formed in 1895 by a collaboration of communists in, "The Anti-Rationalists Movement" after 20 years of mashing their genius' together. Immediately out of that movement grew the, "Progressive Movement in 1896 and the Fascist Movement finally coalesced in by communists Geovani Gentile (doctrine) and George Eugene Sorel (street violence specialist). How to debate? Don't do it, obfuscate! Their conclusion:

1) Never directly debate any issue.

2) Wrap every argument in drama and emotion

3) Destroy your opponent. 

20 years of genius came up with that! But it has lasted to this day and is the reason why discourse has descended into insults and pejoratives, simply because the political left has systematically demanded facts and reason are unreasonable, perhaps defined as racist, bigoted, fascist, etc. Unfortunately the political left and globalist have adopted the Dunning-Kruger Effect (syndrome) as a religious practice; the more one practices "social justice" through virtue-signaling, the more intellectual they perceive themselves. 

What I find astounding is the mis information that is spread by the left as fact.  I really find it kinda sad.

We have one member on this thread that constantly posts stuff that is simply untrue and not factual.   I can only assume that is coming from the far left media that they use to get their news.  ALL media, Fox,Cnn MsNBC   ALL news channels bend he narrative in the direction of their political beliefs . It is up to the person listening to listen to BOTH sides then seek out the truth themselves.

 

Tonight is going to be the Trump Rally in tulsa. This Rally is going to be very interesting. I believe that the far left is going to be in for a surprise as to the reception they receive when they try and start violence at it

[Sheilajeanne]

Even if I were a Trump supporter, I would be staying FAR FAR away from this rally. It's a 'perfect storm' setup for the spread of the COVID virus!

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/public-health-experts-see-trumps-tulsa-rally-as-a-perfect-storm-for-infection-risk/

I do hope the rally goes off peacefully, though. 

Edited June 20 by Sheilajeanne

[Frodo]

3 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Even if I were a Trump supporter, I would be staying FAR FAR away from this rally. It's a 'perfect storm' setup for the spread of the COVID virus!

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/public-health-experts-see-trumps-tulsa-rally-as-a-perfect-storm-for-infection-risk/

I do hope the rally goes off peacefully, though. 

I hope that also.. it is no more a risk than the protesting and the spring break, ETC ETC

They will be handing out masks at the entrance,  I am not bothered with the virus. I am bothered that those idiots antifa are going to show up.Word is, If they do they had better come in force and ready to battle.  The right has had enough,  This could get very violent  From the looks of the skinny antifa boys they do not stand a chance against the bikers

[chuck123wapati]

19 hours ago, Frodo said:

I hope that also.. it is no more a risk than the protesting and the spring break, ETC ETC

They will be handing out masks at the entrance,  I am not bothered with the virus. I am bothered that those idiots antifa are going to show up.Word is, If they do they had better come in force and ready to battle.  The right has had enough,  This could get very violent  From the looks of the skinny antifa boys they do not stand a chance against the bikers

 

On 6/19/2020 at 7:20 PM, Quasimodo said:

I must say I have enormously enjoyed the reasoned logic of Frodo and yourself on this thread. Reason is a rather "offensive" tool in contemporary political discourse. A model for discussion was formed in 1895 by a collaboration of communists in, "The Anti-Rationalists Movement" after 20 years of mashing their genius' together. Immediately out of that movement grew the, "Progressive Movement in 1896 and the Fascist Movement finally coalesced in by communists Geovani Gentile (doctrine) and George Eugene Sorel (street violence specialist). How to debate? Don't do it, obfuscate! Their conclusion:

1) Never directly debate any issue.

2) Wrap every argument in drama and emotion

3) Destroy your opponent. 

20 years of genius came up with that! But it has lasted to this day and is the reason why discourse has descended into insults and pejoratives, simply because the political left has systematically demanded facts and reason are unreasonable, perhaps defined as racist, bigoted, fascist, etc. Unfortunately the political left and globalist have adopted the Dunning-Kruger Effect (syndrome) as a religious practice; the more one practices "social justice" through virtue-signaling, the more intellectual they perceive themselves. 

Thank you Yea the last few generations haven't been taught reasoning skills in school so it scares them I guess or they just cant understand the process. Kinda like the democrats buying a bunch of tickets to the trump rally to make it look deserted then bragging they did it LMFAO so everyone knows it wouldn't have been deserted if they didn't No sense,  rhyme or reason for their actions. We don't care if your life matters but you have to care if our life matters or your a bigot. We want our first amendment rights so we can loot, steal , and destroy but you cant have a peaceful political rally. They use a multitude of tools nowadays to try and polarize the people. FB for example uses studies from as far back as the the 30s on social gathering to build their algorithms that tear at the fabric of our culture intentionally destroying any hope of peace between races, or social groups of any kind really. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/networld/ Heres an awesome series on the subject episode 1 called disruption says it all.

[Quasimodo]

11 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

 

Thank you Yea the last few generations haven't been taught reasoning skills in school so it scares them I guess or they just cant understand the process. Kinda like the democrats buying a bunch of tickets to the trump rally to make it look deserted then bragging they did it LMFAO so everyone knows it wouldn't have been deserted if they didn't No sense,  rhyme or reason for their actions. We don't care if your life matters but you have to care if our life matters or your a bigot. We want our first amendment rights so we can loot, steal , and destroy but you cant have a peaceful political rally. They use a multitude of tools nowadays to try and polarize the people. FB for example uses studies from as far back as the the 30s on social gathering to build their algorithms that tear at the fabric of our culture intentionally destroying any hope of peace between races, or social groups of any kind really. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/networld/ Heres an awesome series on the subject episode 1 called disruption says it all.

I had a debate with Cenk Uygur of "The Young Turks" that lasted two weeks on his web-page. He was on MSNBC at the time. It was about calling Conservatives, "Fascists". I cited historical fact after fact. Finally the last days I gave him 17 questions that anyone who had thoroughly researched the subject would know. I told him that if he could honestly answer any of them I would become a communist. Questions like, "who were the two principal authors of the fascist theory?" The reason being that both men were communists, Geovani Gentile or Italy who was the philosophical contributor, and Georges Eugene Sorel of France, applicable today, because he was the anarcho-syndicalist (street organizing and violence) contributor. The idea was that "communism could never take hold in a nation deeply entrenched in private property" (sorry Bill and Chirlane de Blasio) like the US. "Capitalism must be overthrown by radical trade union violence and cultural groups with a grievance. And if they do not have a grievance, create it!" ~ Sorel, "Reflections on Violence, 1908. Sorel was kind of nuts really. Today he would claim ANTIFA and BLM as his creations.

At the end of two weeks, Uygur said, "You are a liar because you are a liar!" Such an intellect. 

What troubles me is that Fascism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, are all means to get the same ends. It is a story 170 years old, and almost every contemporary element of their ideology has been laid out consistently since circa 1900. Their high priests like Sorel, Antonio Gramsci, John Dewey, Bill Ayers, Obama, etc have all said over time, that the means was corrupting the education system, which they have executed well. The "Frankfurt School" communists that came to Columbia University in the 1930's and then migrated to Hollywood, had a goal of separating communism from fascism in the minds of the people through a propaganda program and education. They succeeded! Today we have a nation of emotional infants, as you say incapable of logic and reason, indoctrinated through the patience of communism, "grasshoppers and elephants", who serve as their fodder to foment collapse. 

This is my graph concerning the political scale, opposite of the Frankfurt School polar representation. I got a "D" in Political Science class for debating the professor with this concept. It did not list the 12 degrees of separation but everything else was the same. Proof that a college degree represents a dumbing-down of the new member of the proletariat. 

 

[Quasimodo]

On ‎6‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 4:48 PM, Frodo said:

What I find astounding is the mis information that is spread by the left as fact.  I really find it kinda sad.

We have one member on this thread that constantly posts stuff that is simply untrue and not factual.   I can only assume that is coming from the far left media that they use to get their news.  ALL media, Fox,Cnn MsNBC   ALL news channels bend he narrative in the direction of their political beliefs . It is up to the person listening to listen to BOTH sides then seek out the truth themselves.

Tonight is going to be the Trump Rally in tulsa. This Rally is going to be very interesting. I believe that the far left is going to be in for a surprise as to the reception they receive when they try and start violence at it

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There are 3 great Gurus of the Progressive Movement ~

From the book "The Political Mind", by George Lakoff, the University of California at Berkley professor; Marxist, Progressive, neo-syndicalist, and an associate of Robert Reich. (G. Lakoff is also a contributor to the Huffington Post and The Daily Kos blogs)

"Since voters' opinions are neither logical nor self-made, they should be altered, not obeyed. Politicians should 'not follow polls but use them to see how they can change public opinion to their moral worldview.' And since persuasion is mechanical, Progressives should rely less on facts and more on images and drama, 'casting Progressives as heroes, and by implication, conservatives as villains.' The key is to 'say things not once, but over and over. Brains change when ideas are repeatedly activated.' What should Progressives say? That conservatism is 'fundamentally anti-democratic.' It tells us to save your own skin and not to care about your neighbor, so conservatives don't pay much attention to injured veterans. “Fascist anti-rationalism, like psychoanalysis, conceives of itself as a science which can channel elemental human drives in a useful direction."

An enemy must be created for blame; an excuse for their suspension of freedoms and liberty. And as Lakoff states above, the idea is to destroy this enemy with rumors and slander, never debating the facts! Lakoff wittingly promoted Fascist creed as a tool of Progressivism. Surprised? "Hands up, don't shoot!"

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[chuck123wapati]

On 6/21/2020 at 8:59 PM, Quasimodo said:

There are 3 great Gurus of the Progressive Movement ~

 

From the book "The Political Mind", by George Lakoff, the University of California at Berkley professor; Marxist, Progressive, neo-syndicalist, and an associate of Robert Reich. (G. Lakoff is also a contributor to the Huffington Post and The Daily Kos blogs)

 

"Since voters' opinions are neither logical nor self-made, they should be altered, not obeyed. Politicians should 'not follow polls but use them to see how they can change public opinion to their moral worldview.' And since persuasion is mechanical, Progressives should rely less on facts and more on images and drama, 'casting Progressives as heroes, and by implication, conservatives as villains.' The key is to 'say things not once, but over and over. Brains change when ideas are repeatedly activated.' What should Progressives say? That conservatism is 'fundamentally anti-democratic.' It tells us to save your own skin and not to care about your neighbor, so conservatives don't pay much attention to injured veterans. “Fascist anti-rationalism, like psychoanalysis, conceives of itself as a science which can channel elemental human drives in a useful direction."

 

An enemy must be created for blame; an excuse for their suspension of freedoms and liberty. And as Lakoff states above, the idea is to destroy this enemy with rumors and slander, never debating the facts! Lakoff wittingly promoted Fascist creed as a tool of Progressivism. Surprised? "Hands up, don't shoot!"

https://www.oann.com/black-lives-matter-co-founder-connected-to-maduro/   Pretty much fact! Taking down of political icons is one of the first steps, has nothing to do with black lives.