JJN Report post Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) I am looking at a Metro Spezial 9346 patcher. From what I have read here it was sold by Pfaff and was manufactured by Claes. Does that sound right? Anyway I posted a photo of the machine and the ID plate but I don't know how to tell if it is a 10, 20 or 30 model. Is this a small bobbin or a large bobbin? These photos are all I have at this point. @shoepatcher, any idea? Also would like to know the value of this machine. Edit: I just noticed that this machine has been re-painted. Edited July 27, 2020 by JJN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) I´m almost certain that is it not a 30. if it was a 30 the black gear box would look beefier. I guess it is a 20. Whats den diameter of the bobbins? Length of the needle is also a hint - only the 30 uses the system 88 needle, the 10 + 20 are using system 81 needles. System 88 is 55mm long in total System 81 is shorter. Edited July 27, 2020 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJN Report post Posted July 27, 2020 I just talked to the owner (dealer). He wasn't aware of any subclass but said the bobbin is about the same diameter as a small singer patcher bobbin but almost twice as deep. He didn't have any actual bobbins but said he as pre-wound bobbins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) # 20 bobbins are approx 15.5mm x 8.5mm +/- # 30 bobbins are approx 17.5mm x 10mm +/- the #30 hooks have a small bar across the bobbin - see picture EDIT: Hope I haven't mixed up something... Edited July 27, 2020 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJN Report post Posted July 27, 2020 Thanks @Constabulary, I'll get the measurements from the owner to compare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted July 28, 2020 JJN, As Constabulary stated, it is a Claes made for Pfaff. It is a Claes 8346. Looks like it was a honey colored that Pfaff used in the late 1980's. This machine has been repainted. Best patchers in the world, bar none. Buy it. Check to see if there is an embossed needle number on the black arm cover. It will state either Needle system 81 or 88. That narrows it down as to subclass. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJN Report post Posted July 28, 2020 @shoepatcher, thanks for the comment. It is a system 81. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted August 2, 2020 So either a #10 or #20. Chances are it is a #20 which is medium bobbin. great machines! get a bobbin so we can see which it is. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
