I thought I'd just a thread to write down some of my rambling ideas, thoughts and findings Just one thread, instead of starting new ones or tagging on to old ones I'll start with this observation. I'm starting to make a dice cup. I've cut the leather to go around my former. I'm making this one flesh side out-grain side in. I wrapped the leather around my former grain side in and cut it to size. Just by chance I lifted the cut piece to check it and wrapped it flesh side in. This is