Thanks Bruce, when I get some spare time I'll have to look it up. Sandy, Denise, if I find anything else out about the saddle I'll let you all know. I guess the day they gave it to him turned into a big story day and Gramps had a fine time reliving his younger days. I do know he got the saddle in a three way trade, a Winchester 30-30 from Gramps to his younger brother for what they called a fancy Mexican saddle which was then traded for the Hamley to an outfitter who was working on Cedar Mo