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Thank you all for your import input, the deal is done I missed out on the wimsew it went for the full 800 so I have gone with the Adler £550 In it's favor as well as being much cheaper it's on a half table. I don't even need to treck to the outer end of the country to collect it as my friend is up in the area and is collecting it for me. I'm not worried about layers slipping because I have a quick and cheeky trick in how I tack my harness together before stitching double sided tape I often cut my straps with my Clint present and tack the harness around Thier dog, this method makes sure it will fit and when I'm actually sewing I can use it if bits don't want to stay lined up. But now my real learning curve begins

I have just found a wilcox and gibbs s335B also in my price range I very very rarely would be doing more than 12mm thick biothane and I can live with hand stitching those rare sections, I understand that I will be using thinner threads that I formation is most helpful, I can hand stitch with thinner thread and have been experimenting with 0.6 mm it works well I definitely want to go with cylinder arm machine because it will fit into all the small awkward bits of making a dog's harness and like people have said with the little DIY engineering to you can turn into a flatbed machine but you can't turn a flatbed machine into a cylinder arm machine.

I have just found an Adler 205-64 cylinder arm machine also in my budget between that and the Wimsew the Adler is a 8hr road trip away though

Hans yes I can it appears one is available on eBay locally shocked there is also a Adler on market place in my budget but not advertised the model number Thanks for your help I will do thanks

Hi I have my eyes on the following: SINGER 45K/89 HEAVY DUTY CYLINDER ARM INDUSTRIAL SEWING MACHINE. Singer 47W66 Cylinder Arm Walking Foot WIMSEW W-8B Cylinder Arm Walking Foot Needle Feed Sewing Machine Wimsew 246 cylinder arm machine I predominantly work with biothane up to 15mm thick Max Which one of these options would you go for or something totally different Because hand stitching is not viable for doing more than gifts for family and friends I need to get machine