Awesome, I would appreciate it. It seems that acid would be the best way to go, I mean, they are called "acid washed". I used 98% concentrated sulfuric acid (which was recommended by a chemicals company rather than hydrochloric acid) and it really didn't do much. I had better luck with lye...problem is its in a powder form and I would like a gel like consistency for better design control. Any others with some input! =LJ=