I agree with Clay. I find it totally amazing that "artists" can make anything work for them, but leather artists can't. I have a lot of students come in and only learn to use the new EF items and have no problem with it what so ever and older more experienced artists come in and can't grasp the concept of water verus alcohol....and these are the people we depend on for guidance. Give me an open mind and the ability to experiment any day over the old this is the way I do it and I refuse to change attitude. Thank goodness the early age leather artists had the guts to try to develop new ideas instead of depending on old ones or we would all still be using tree bark and vegetable plants to color our work.