Very new industrial leather machines. From Japan, in late June, Seiko TF-6B . Eagle industrial leather skiver, TK-801. I used them for about 2mths. making prototypes for mens,womens,and teen personal leather products . They worked great for making the prototypes and we found them exceptional at being able to handle any leather production. Please contact Buddy Price, poppysheath@yahoo.com or 224-402-0661. Original cost for both $3,500.00. Will make you a good deal for serious Letherworker!