Thank you I will check that out. I was hoping to borrow or buy a downloadable pattern and avoid the time consuming prototypes. You know - the first is too tight, the second is too loose and the final one is just right. If you are looking for a concealed carry the KAHR PM9 or the more economical CM9 are the best. If you have a good budget you can get the MK9 in solid stainless. These have been tested with over 18,000 rounds and found to be totally reliable. Alan