Thank you all for your input, I kind of think I'm stuck with a rivet now or live with a hole where it doesn't want one. The rivet does go through the welt and hopefully will never contact the blade. I brought the belt loop down and had it extend into the welt so there would be two rivets securing the loop itself ,hoping not to rely on glue alone as I don't have any stitching in the loop itself....I don't know if a leather/trade bead thong or horse hair tassel of sort as an embellishment would detract from a vacant rivet hole .......The synthetic handle kind of destroys that line of thought !