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Hi Guys, Long time lurker, first time poster here. Learned quite a bit from the members here, thanks very much for that. Right the question, I've been eyeing Juki 1508NH and the famed TSC441, but budget constraint means those two are way out of my reach. Finding good heavy duty machine here (Indonesia) is really hard as most sellers would just say ...ah relax..this one is good enough for your needs. - I told a seller I need to sew 3-4 layers of 6oz veg tan and was told that the Juki 1811 can handle it and that it won't mark veg tan for example which i know is not accurate. After some searching I have shortlisted the Juki replacement with these two Typical machines : TW1-243 flatbed http://www.chinatypi..._011.asp?id=239 TW3-441 cylinder bed (which I naively just assume that this is typical's version of Juki 441 http://www.typical-e...chines/tw3-441/ the head cost about $1200-1250 each for those two types. 01. Given the specs or maybe some of you have used these machines, would they serve the purpose of sewing : - 3-4 layers of 6oz and 2 layers of 8oz - 13 thread thickness ( i think its equivalent to hmm 207-210?) will be using bonded nylon. - #22/23 needles. - mainly for making leather bags with no lining, using thick leather. Btw, yes the chinatypical website is a bit weird that you can't click on anything, if you'd like to see their other models, here's the link : http://www.chinatypi...Sewing Machines or their european site which seems to be working better : http://www.typical-e...-duty-machines/ 02. Another question would be about the motors,the machines are from a distributor and they don't have the table set up and the motors, so I'll be getting those from another shop, maybe you guys can recommend the type of motors suitable for these machines, specs wise, not a specific brand like SewPro 500 GR, because I don't think I'll be able to get them here. Many thanks in advance! Cheers