Romal reins

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Glad to see you came back to the discussion.

First off from the beginning my problem with the Vaquero tools is they are so easy to abuse when you compare it to some of the other tools available. And that's really my only beef with them. For example, all those things you say you get from your horse in a bosal.....

I use it because of the responsive softess it creates in a horse. The bosal enforces flextion not only at the poll (which you see alot of with snaffle bit horses) but also encourages flextion at the withers. This allows the horses back to come up, allowing the hind end to engage, thus achieving a proper frame and collection. This is all done with NO tension in the rein(s). You feel the horse thru the bosal, and control the speed, direction with your body. This foundation sets the horse up for the spade bit.

Your horse gives you things things because your horse is more motivated in a bosal. I've rode in them too and you are right, it feels great! Almost like you aren't riding a green horse, almost, but not quite. But that same tool in angry or uneducated hands can really hurt a horse and *I* believe more so than a snaffle. Course a side pull or halter is even better for a true greenie, even better than than that, matched with the right horse, but that doesn't always happen, hell I don't think it even happens most of the time.

And let's not forget what I said in an earlier post.

And most your Vaquero spade bits are not use properly either. Many are use as a tool of leverage rather than a way of quietly communicating with a horse.

So you see I do know what they are used for. I think that goes for all leverage type bits, but most people move up because they can't control their horse and need more leverage to stop.

What do I ride...I'm disipline neutral! I did take some lessons from a gal studing Vaquaro training and I tried to get into those classes myself but sadly it didn't work out. And one of the highlights of my life was spending the weekend with Leslie Desmond. She's so gifted I really don't think she knows how she does a lot of the things she does, she just does it. I think one would need to spend a lot of time with her to really get what she teaches. On the other hand I love watching this set of DVD's I have where this dressage rider teaches you about 1 part of the horse and how to get that part. So really I study anything that's for the horse. It used to be I put all my time into thinking and doing anything "horse", kind of like my braiding now. In those years I'm sad to say I saw more bad horsemanship than good, more rushing training with pain and gimmicks than taking the time to really train. Yeah, I probably hung around in the wrong circles, maybe that's why I keep to myself these days and ride with a gal like likes Parelli... I try not to tease her about it to much.

[rawhider]

Leslie Desmond, huh? Was she drunk most of the time?

As for the Vaquero tools being "too" easy to miss-use, I will have to disagree. While the hackamore may rub a horse, there are things you can do to change that- a poorly made one will not have the strings beveled properly, make sure you shape it before you use it, or get a latigo bosal.

The thing that makes it so incredible is if it's not working, YOU are using it wrong. The horse will quickly learn to lean on it if you don't use it right, so you end up dragging them around, and loose that feel.

But this has turned into a pissing match,not a discussion. I'm not going to agree with you that the bitless bridle is better, you don't want to admit that the bosal is better for the rider and the horse.

Almost like you aren't riding a green horse, almost, but not quite.

P.S. we ride our horses in a halter for about the first 5 rides, then it's into the hackamore for about a year to a year and a half. Hardly a green horse. I think that your braiding is very nice, but you need to broaden your horse horizons a little bit.

[entiendo]

P.S. we ride our horses in a halter for about the first 5 rides, then it's into the hackamore for about a year to a year and a half. Hardly a green horse. I think that your braiding is very nice, but you need to broaden your horse horizons a little bit.

What I meant by my statement is I've tried to put a few horses in bosals but they ended up with sore chins so I didn't get far. And I'm not the only one with this problem. Maybe a latigo one would help. I haven't thought about using one in years. But *I* have tried them, several times, but you haven't tried mine. Funny, I think it's you that needs to expand, but I'm sure your horses are very nice. What do you do with your horses?

A pissing match, really, I don't feel that way but I'll stop here if you do.

And that's not very nice, Lesley Desmond drunk. She's been sober for quite some time from the impression I got, but we didn't discuss that. She only drank coffee or water from what I saw.