Ecoflow satin shene

[Walberan]

So I'm having some problems with Tandys Ecoflow Satin shene. I'm working on some leather baldrics and I'm using Angelus alchohol based medium brown, then I appy a coat of tandy ecoflow black tint which is giving me my desired color. Once that is dry I apply my satin shene to seal my work but when I apply the satin shene the Tint is rubbing off in places causing a bad splotchy effect and killing the color that I am so happy with. I believe the problem is with the water based satin shene disolving into the pigment of the tint. anyone had any luck not having this happen?

[abn]

Tandy advertises that Eco Flo Satin Shene is completely compatible with their Eco Flo stains and dyes. Yes, sort of. I've found that you have to go extremely light on the coats, otherwise the sponge will remove some of your color. Put the first coat on with an extremely light touch. Let that dry entirely before the second coat (20 minutes or so). Also, you might want to try applying the Satin Shene with a moist paper towel (instead of a sponge) as there is less surface texture to lift color.

The best solution is probably applying the finish with an airbrush... Hope this helps!

Alex

[Hoyden]

I got frustrated with it and just threw the bottle out.

I typically apply multiple light coats to get colors I want. No matter how light I went, even using a damp t-shirt rag or a damp piece of well washed soft muslin fabric scrap, it pulled the hi-light color off.

[whinewine]

I often use fiebings' version of super shene in the spray can. (I don't know if they have a satin version). It just makes life easier. If you remember that water-based stuff is compatible with water-based stuff, you'll know that one will dissolve into the other if rubbed on. That's why I spray & let dry.

russ

[LarryB]

I do the same to anything I coat. It just avoids any problems like this. I'll put a real light coat on and let it sit for a couple hours then spray on a little heavier but not real heavy. Has been working much better for me. I Have not used the new eco line yet though but I don't think it will be a problem....but who knows.

[SCOUTER]

Walb! to the club! We have all gone thru this nasty problem... Top coat finishes of all types tend to BLEED the dyes when applied to heavy... I've done it and still do it! The best way to apply the first coat or two is with a fine spray (air brush or air sprayer) like mentioned above a fine (mist) coat or two and then you can go heavier... However, if you go past the magic amount (that nobody knows) you will still penetrate the base coats and bleed your dyes! This is why so many people don't top coat with acrylic finishes. Good luck!

[Walberan]

Thanks everyone. The airbrush did the trick for me. I have been lurking around here for about a month now, but this was my first post since it became a reoccuring problem for me.

BTW anyone here use the Angelus dyes? I'm quite happy with them compared to fiebings, and ecoflow.

[abn]

I guess I'm a bit ignorant on this subject... What are Angelus dyes (spirit based, etc?) and where do you get them?

[anne newkold]

I guess I'm a bit ignorant on this subject... What are Angelus dyes (spirit based, etc?) and where do you get them?

I have never used them either but have heard of them. Here I just found this

http://www.angelusshoepolish.com/

[Leather Bum]

I have never used them either but have heard of them. Here I just found this

http://www.angelusshoepolish.com/

Yeah, I've never tried them either, but here's a link to another source: Turtle Feathers. The don't seem to sell all of the Angelus products, though (such as the acrylic antique).

L'Bum

Edited March 21, 2008 by Leather Bum

[Fog]

So I'm having some problems with Tandys Ecoflow Satin shene. I'm working on some leather baldrics and I'm using Angelus alchohol based medium brown, then I appy a coat of tandy ecoflow black tint which is giving me my desired color. Once that is dry I apply my satin shene to seal my work but when I apply the satin shene the Tint is rubbing off in places causing a bad splotchy effect and killing the color that I am so happy with. I believe the problem is with the water based satin shene disolving into the pigment of the tint. anyone had any luck not having this happen?

it's the base of anglelus that's messing this up. Also try letting the job sit 24 hours after anything named eco. the satin shene could be pulling off the tint, but it is more likely that your not polishing the final layer (and prior) layers of the eco-stain off berfore appling the tint. Generally eco-flow does not play nice with Angelus in my experience though.

[King's X]

Try Bee Natural's RTC finish.