Snap Removable Pancake

[markush]

I've been trying to figure out the fastening system on the axiom myself...I'll start another thread with my thoughts on that. But I was also hoping redhat4201 would share his method in this thread.

[SpecialKaye]

I think it's beautiful and I look forward to the day I can make something that nice for my kids. And yes, I'm also interested in the mounting system just because it looks so damn cool.

[redhat4201]

I think it's beautiful and I look forward to the day I can make something that nice for my kids. And yes, I'm also interested in the mounting system just because it looks so damn cool.

Sorry. I had planned on showing more of how I made this holster but life got busy. Wife had a baby on the 16th. First off. I didn't come up with this design. Tony at Milt Sparks did. I had a customer request an Axiom style holster for a railed 1911. Sparks currently won't make one so he came to me. I have never actually had an Axiom in my hands before so the best help was pictures. Actually the most helpful pictures I found were of one for sale on Ebay. There is three holes that need to be punched (for each side of the holster). Two on the top piece and two on the bottom. The lower hole on the outer piece and the upper hole on the inside piece need to line up. The through hole is the lower snap location. The upper hole uses a 8-24 size T-nut and a small screw to secure a female side of the snap. The lowest hole on the backside uses a T-nut and secures the wrap over belt loop. All of this sounds confusing but hopefully the pictures help.

This is a half finished test piece that was my second attempt. It doesn't have the outer reinforcement piece.

Here you can see how the middle hole goes through both pieces. A small screw goes through the male side of a snap and into the female side of a post screw. (check out the bruise on my left index finger from hand stitching

Here is a picture of one I'm currently working on. It shows the T-screws coming through the outer piece.

And the backside with the T-screws coming out of the lower holes.

Here are a couple pictures of my pattern.

oh...and the reason this one has different mounting hardware is because I ran out of large T-nuts and had to use small ones. The male screw post screw was too large so I had to use a small screw and a finishing washer. That is the only one I will ever do that way.

This style was a headache to figure out but actually pretty easy to make. It's like making a regular pancake with a few extra steps. I used my existing pancake pattern and modified it a little. The wrap over belt slots were probably the hardest to get right. Be prepared for multiple trips to the hardware store to get screws that are just right. The original customer wanted Pull-the Dot snaps on the upper snaps like the Axiom uses. I don't know if that is actually necessary. The Cordovan one for my Les Baer doesn't have them and I have never had it come undone. I would have to say this is THE most comfortable OWB holster I have ever made. It does not move and has what I would call a medium ride height. I have carried my Baer concealed with a longer shirt with no problem. It will definitely see a ton of use this winter. I hope this helps. If anyone has questions let me know.

[woodandsteel]

Thanks for posting the detailed pictures! I've been thinking of making a holster like this.

[SpecialKaye]

Thank you for the details. But now my wife will hate you. I just bought two guns and want to make holsters for them. Now, I have another style holster to make and have to buy a gun for it. I'm thinking a shiny Ruger SR9.

Didn't know you put the stiffener on before the wet molding. I wondered how that was done. So, I assume when tooled, the stiffener is tooled, sew into place, and THEN the holster is wet molded?

And for me, part of my confusion came because I kept thinking the bottom back snap was really a snap instead of a decorative, but solid, structural mounting point.

Very good job. Again, thank you.

BTW, nobody mentioned it but, CONGRATS on the baby! There goes your gun money.

[markush]

Congratulations on the new baby! Thank you for sharing all the details on the holster! I was just hoping for a description of the hardware used...all those photos was a huge and very helpful bonus! Thank you again!

[redhat4201]

The hardware used are just 1/4" chicago screws from Tandy's, Line 24 snaps and some 8-24 size screws. I had to grind off a little of the head of the screws so they fit into the male side of the snap. When I get further into the one I'm currently making I will post some more pictures.

[markush]

I have a couple questions for you. I saw you made one of these for a Glock 19 on your facebook page. Since I would like to make one for an M&P my questions are...how does the holster work with the thicker Glock? Is it as comfortable? Does it sit on the belt the same as a 1911? I was thinking I would have to extend the wings out a little to allow them to flex back to the belt easier...what are your thoughts on that?

Edited October 2, 2011 by markush

[redhat4201]

I have a couple questions for you. I saw you made one of these for a Glock 19 on your facebook page. Since I would like to make one for an M&P my questions are...how does the holster work with the thicker Glock? Is it as comfortable? Does it sit on the belt the same as a 1911? I was thinking I would have to extend the wings out a little to allow them to flex back to the belt easier...what are your thoughts on that?

I kept the ride height pretty much the same for the Glock 19. It is still a very comfortable holster. I will probably change the pattern a little to make the outer piece come up a little more over the trigger guard. With the Glock being a shorter barrel length I think it would be a little more concealable with just a T-shirt on.

[2ndAmVA]

Redhat,

I'm working on a holster similar to what you showed. An OWB that snaps on and off.

Can you please share more detailed info on the type of screws, snaps (i.e. all the hardware) that you used to make this holster>=?

I don't even know what to ask for at the hardware store.

Thanks for our help.

2ndAmVA

It has what I would call a short sweat shiled. A guy emailed me asking if I could make a snap removable pancake similar to a Milt Sparks Axiom because Sparks doesn't make them for railed 1911's at the moment. I liked it so much that I'm making myself one for my Les Baer. I will post some more pics this afternoon.

Redhat,

That is a sharp-looking holster that you made! Deserving of the high end pistol it will be used for.

2ndAmVA

Redhat,

I'm working on a holster similar to what you showed. An OWB that snaps on and off.

Can you please share more detailed info on the type of screws, snaps (i.e. all the hardware) that you used to make this holster>=?

I don't even know what to ask for at the hardware store.

Thanks for our help.

2ndAmVA