Members Aggiebraider Posted November 2, 2011 Members Report Posted November 2, 2011 Ok, I think the reason the top or start of the braid looks different to you than the bottom or the working end is because it is different. If you turn the piece a quarter turn, you can get it to then look like the bottom. If you notice, as you braid down the Vs are actual Vs, if you turn it upside down, the turn into /\s. This is why, if you start a braid in the middle and braid in both directions, you have to turn it a quarter turn to get them to be Vs again. This is what you can do on say a bosal body if you start it in the middle. It takes some practice to understand it without seeing a diagram, but with what you are doing I wouldnt worry about it. You should do as entiendo says and just cover the transition with a knot. Then it doesnt matter what it looks like because it will be covered. Hope that helps, CW Quote
Members Dwing8 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted November 2, 2011 Ok, I think the reason the top or start of the braid looks different to you than the bottom or the working end is because it is different. If you turn the piece a quarter turn, you can get it to then look like the bottom. If you notice, as you braid down the Vs are actual Vs, if you turn it upside down, the turn into /\s. This is why, if you start a braid in the middle and braid in both directions, you have to turn it a quarter turn to get them to be Vs again. This is what you can do on say a bosal body if you start it in the middle. It takes some practice to understand it without seeing a diagram, but with what you are doing I wouldnt worry about it. You should do as entiendo says and just cover the transition with a knot. Then it doesnt matter what it looks like because it will be covered. Hope that helps, CW Thanks for the tip! I thought about what you said so I ran through it all over again and took a few pictures to show you what I have. The first picture is the end of the run, the second is the beginning after I pulled it out from under the clamp. They are in order still, I had started with the 4 strands in the center and then ran the rest of them behind and U2O2. The 3rd picture I laid them out flat on the table ad the 4th picture I did as you said and gave it a quarter turn. This is where I'm lost because you can see the 3 strands on both sides are under 1 strand. I can't for the life of me get it going from here, I tried to take the top right strand and go behind and the U2O2 and then the left but it looks like it's all wadded up on the backside. Thanks again! Dano Quote
Members Dwing8 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Members Report Posted November 3, 2011 I got up this morning and looked at my project and with the tip from Aggiebraider it all came together!! Thank you soooo much! All I had to do was turn it over 1/4 turn and undo the first 4 strands and it looked right. I'd have never figured out the 1/4 turn thing! Thanks to everybody for helping me! Dano Quote
Members Dwing8 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Members Report Posted November 3, 2011 What you do is start just off center with the eight plait, then fold it in half and then start your 16 plait by combining your now 2 eight plaits. You shouldn't have to undo anything. The eight plait is just the loop. Gosh...I wish I could make this more clear. Seems like i"m no clearer than Grant and have I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what he's saying! I'm enclosing a picture that might help. It's not hobbles but I think the same principle. The loop where the button goes in is actually my starting point and I started in the middle of my 8 strings, when I had the loop the size I wanted I did what fig 3 suggests in the book and started braiding the 16 strand. Another option is to just make it a double 8 strand until you get a better feel for things. They are nice hobbles too. I think I got it all figured out now, your picture is just like something I wanted to make. A few questions......does that knot there where the loop ties into the 16 strand slide to tighten the loop? What knot made the ball? How do you figure the length needed for the overall length of the finished piece or do I just cut it long and then cut to length? Oh......when I get to the end of the 16 strand plait how do I finish up the back side? I took a guess and just went O1 Left O1 Right till the strands came to the same but it looks kind of sloppy. I guess that's going be covered over by the knot on the end?? Thanks again! Dano Quote
Members entiendo Posted November 3, 2011 Members Report Posted November 3, 2011 Unfortunately no, the plaiting needs to be tight on its own, the buttons doesn't do it. I'd like to give you a better visual of how I do it but I'm so busy right now I don't know when I could get to it. Quote
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