Icertainlywas
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Just an update on the cutting wheel for the American St Louis SC320 machine we've been restoring. The original wheel that came off would comfortably thread onto a 1/2" bolt from the hardware store, with 20 threads per inch (fine threaded). Mine was so chunked up I was not able to successfully sharpen it, or at least not sharp enough to do the job I wanted... the leather would twist downward and cut badly, or would not cut all the way through the full thickness, no matter how I adjusted the gap between the lower cutting wheel and the upper feed wheel. .
I ended up in contact with Jim Knabl at the New York office for Landis USA inc.
His phone: 800-354-6278, and email contact jim@landisUSA.com
He sent out a cutting wheel- #A2110 for us to try, and it would not quite thread onto the shaft of the machine, though it was very close, like it would go on about 1 1/4 turns but then jam up and proceed no further, even though the old cutting wheel came off easily and the threads were not buggered up in any way.
We decided that the thread pitch on the shaft must be slightly different as both the old and the new wheels appeared to be 20 threads per inch. Rather than rethreading the bore on the wheel, we opted to use a conventional Die for a half inch fine thread 20TPI. It was not difficult to run this onto the existing threads on the shaft (removed and taken out to the vise) to clean the threads up to this different pitch.
After that the new wheel fits perfectly, and cuts wonderfully, both thin leather and heavy sole leather.
To reiterate, that wheel is not reverse threaded or counter threaded, it screws on just like you'd expect a conventional nut to screw onto a bolt. The new wheel does not have the little hole in it that was originally used (where a punch and hammer were needed to remove the wheel). Instead the new wheel has a segment with two nice flat sides, so can be easily tightened or loosened with a crescent wrench.
If someone were very much disinclined to rethread the shaft themselves, pretty much any machine shop would do the job. It took only a couple minutes to rethread, because its so close already, and you're not taking off much metal.
To remove the shaft was a matter of only taking off the one bolt that holds the handle on, plus loosening the two set screws on the collet, and sliding that off the shaft. That collet allows you to adjust how close the cutting wheel will ride to the feed wheel on the business end of the shaft. Lastly the little gear in there has a keyway that slides over a pin on the shaft, and that little gear does not thread off it slides straight off. If it is stiff, use a block of wood and tap the handle end of the shaft, which will pop it loose. If your shaft has seen a lot of hard knocks, the handle may have been tightened down with enough force to make bumps and dents on the shaft that the collet doesn't like to slide over. You can clean up the high spots with gentle use of a file or fine sandpaper, to smooth the shaft enough the collet will slide off.
Hopes this helps to encourage someone else to salvage and restore one of these sturdy old machines. The shaft has a couple oil ports that just look like holes, one near the cutting wheels, one nearer to the other end, and once the shaft is out, if it is gummy or rusty, a little fine steel wool will make quick work of cleaning it up so it turns real smoothly. Pad the jaws of the vice before you clamp in the shaft for retreading.The wheel is costly, a little more than a hundred bucks in 2023, but worth it.... the leather feeds in easily now, without twisting over, and cuts cleanly all the way through.
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I've been trying to restore an American St Louis SC320. My only comment is that simply finding info on whether the cutter is counter-threaded has been rather a fruitless endeavor. I've found a lovely video on removing wheels on the Landis 5-in-1 machine, but the cutting wheel on my machine is located on the lower shaft while the cutting wheel of the Landis is on the upper shaft, so I was left with some confusion. For any who stumble on this post, the cutting wheel for the American St Louis SC320 is Not counter threaded. You want to look for the little hole in the wheel and use a drive punch at a steep angle to dislodge it so it will unscrew, and mine was terribly stuck... like some 20 blows later it was held fast. To prevent damages, I had taken off the handle that drives the shaft, and put a large crescent wrench on the shaft there instead, to hold it while pounding. I finally soaked the wheel in a bit of PB blaster a couple times over the next few hours, and tried again. Very begrudgingly it edged itself off, allowing me then to withdraw the shaft and get the rust and grime off the shaft. I'm currently seeking more info on the correct replacement cutting wheel.