Thanks again Yetibelle,
I do know of the vinegaroom and how tho make it but I have not made it yet. I think the time that it takes for the USMC is some what to long for the time that I have but sounds to be a vary good way to get the black color. I can say that I have tried several test to see if the Eco-Flow Black and the Resolene finish ( 2 coats ) would crack or come off, then soaked it for 2 hr.in water and it did not come off on a cloth. When it was dry and rubbed with a cloth again, no color came off on the cloth. So it has not seen the test of time and hope it will not bleed on some ones clothes. Atom1