Irishleather

I was looking at Wheeler & Wilson nose parts and I think those lower tensions with the take-up spring might work. The passive tension up high doesn't worry me. It's the lower tension because it is missing parts. I have a bin full of old new stock springs and recovered tension parts. I'm grateful you found the case/cap tension spring. I will order those. Then Frankenstein the lower tension until a Wilson Wheeler or other complete tension with take-up spring (with or without the actual spring) shows up. There were a few on eBay, but already sold. I have a friend that collects then, so I'll be able to really see if that is an option. I'm excited it will take longer stitches when I get the parts.

Thank you so much!! I appreciate your time on this. Going to look now that the rain have driven me inside.

I don't think it's all there, judging from the list of parts and pictures. There is a round piece between the plates that looks like it is for part of the spring to move on. I need to just try some things, even something semi-modern.

Ya, that spring didn'y work. lol I look for a picture on a parts list. Hopefully.

I'm comfortable with changing needle bars and readjusting the timimg. Why not just raise the bar for a longer needle? I have a lot of different needles for somewhat old sergers and just old unwanted stock from a boot maker in Eastern WA. I will choose the needle (sort of) for the reasons you did and maybe only need to raise the bar. Even more challenging.... I wonder if I found a pressure-foot bar that fit... if I could then upgrade to a roller foot? Right now the needle for my 23-17 appear to be the right size, too . Which would get me into a size 18 needle. I tried a 22, the timing was good, but the needle slid down the upper left-hand side of the hole. However, with a flat-side instead of round, it would put me more towards the center ( I think). Here is a spring I might try....

I am going to order the feed dog set. The stop on the lever was the first to be loosened. So the feed dogs on it make their full sweep. But I like your idea for getting a longer stitch. The bobbin cap is relativily new, I think. But no way was it going to lay pressure on the thread. So I took it off and thought i could gently bend it as I have before. But this one was brittle and snapped right away. Oops. Before I order needles; Does any of the changes you made change the needle type? And what needle do you use? I'm was hoping to use an 18, but I've only seen 14s in needle I thought was the right one. 130x3 or 128x? flat side or round shank? Or just use whatever works with fit and timing? The W&W face plate doesn't show it has the take-up spring, I have a bunch of springs to play with and thanks to you a picture, at least, to cofirn the spring and I can see the type, if it is the same as mine. Mine, I have taken apart. I think every thing but the spring is there. I'll order the dogs and play with springs. I'm wondering if I can upgrade the tension, so I'll grab that box and dig around in that, too. Thanks!

Checked out your restoration on the 51W100 wow! And you got longer stitches. Amazing work!!!

Thank you. Everything moves and works now. A little "Goo Gone" and parts started to move better. The feed-dogs use up the slot in the plate so thats good, still small stitches, but that is the design. Shoping for needles, looks like they are available and unfortunately small which tells me this machine is light to medium fabric. I was hoping to do canvas and light leather bags. I broke the bobbin case thread tension piece, I think I located one that might work. I have containers of parts and nothing with that spring. lol I also see there is no take-up spring. It shows one on the 72W (Which Bob Kovar recomended looking at [thanks Bob]). I have a container of springs, too, we'll see. I'm wondering why I can't just modernize the last tension. Thank for you help! The manual was perfect! Thank you!!

OK, I got it moving everything including the feed dogs. I'm using a needle from my Singer 17-23. I think it might be a good match, it is with the hook, but it is pretty sunk before the teeth go below the plate. So that sounds like a feed adjustment. So far the stiches are aroun 9 to an inch. I am afraid that is too small for leather. Which could put me in search of a post bed with longer stitiches.

I just picked up a Singer 51 W 25, I think. The badge is gone. What I am asking about: I see a lever to the right that I thought would increase the stitch length, and the lever does move a rod along a slide changing, maybe, the feeddog shaft? Not sure what I am looking at yet. Is that what that lever is suppose to do? Also I broke the bobbin case tension spring, thought I could coax it to put pressure on the thread, since completelty tight did not. But, ya, that didn't work. Works on newer stuff. So I hope one is coming from an eBay seller, although it didn't identify that machine. I saw on on here, but nothing that might speak to a similar machine so I can figure out the stitch regulator, if that's what it is. Advice? Beautiful old table! I put pictures in, then thought to choose a better one, now it won't let me load any. lol There they are.

I know a few years have gone by. I am looking to sand and burnish leather, too. But because I work with industrial sewing machines, I wondered if the "servo" motor made for sewing machines would work? like this one? This is shipped by Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XB9D1L6/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=36db6e8e52797bb897763410eaf47ae6&content-id=amzn1.sym.7e9cd8c2-888c-46c4-82d2-714b2b703021%3Aamzn1.sym.7e9cd8c2-888c-46c4-82d2-714b2b703021&hsa_cr_id=9755496630001&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=4023fb89-9de5-44a7-8a53-11d5b5a140a7&pd_rd_w=maWQc&pd_rd_wg=CHy7u&qid=1675011135&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_lsi4d_asin_1_img&sr=1-2-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124