What would you pay?

[Southerngunner]

My local shop has a old Singer168w 101 for sale I am planning on buying it once he get serviced and shows me it's working properly. It has a table and light ,the motor is the clutch drive monster. I can get it for $400.00 ,the way it sits after the service,  the first change will be a servo set up, so I will be in it $525.00 or so with new servo.

I am new to machines so I was hoping someone here could give me an opinion on the price.

The photo that I have can't download because of size. It looks to be in good shape for a 60 plus year old unit.

Thanks in advance for any opinions good or bad I have no money invested yet.

Terry 

[Matt S]

That's a price I would consider acceptable... if I had a use for such a machine. The 168W is a post-bed upholstery-weight machine. Designed for sewing shoe uppers (not soles), hat crowns, bag bottoms that sort of thing. With care (or building a little add-on table) a person could use it for sewing wallets, purses, dress belts etc., but not anything heavy like holsters, knife sheaths or gun/tool belts. Apart from the ability to sew "into" certain hollow shapes I don't know how much utility you'd get out of it beyond what your Consew 207 can do.

[Southerngunner]

Thanks for the input my current machine is actually a Japanese Consew 206 Rb-2 that I made a holster for my son in law and I found the limits of what it can do.

I was hoping with the post bed and once a servo is installed that I might be able to go up to 3 layers of 8 or 9 oz leather,  perhaps I should keep looking.

[Matt S]

5 hours ago, Southerngunner said:

Thanks for the input

No problem sir, we all start from somewhere!
 

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my current machine is actually a Japanese Consew 206 Rb-2 that I made a holster for my son in law and I found the limits of what it can do.

Ah, in which case the 168W would have a slightly increased accessibility advantage over a 206 than a 207. I've never used a 168W but I'd lay money on it having very similar upper limits to your 206 in terms of max thickness and max thread size. Probably a smidge lower, plus no reverse feed.
 

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I was hoping with the post bed and once a servo is installed that I might be able to go up to 3 layers of 8 or 9 oz leather,  perhaps I should keep looking.

Unfortunately I'm not sure it'll be up to that. There are heavier post-bed machines but they're not very common. For a holster you'd be looking for what I think of as the "harness" weight class. A Singer 45K, Singer 7, Adler 4/5/104/105/204/205/304/305, Juki 441 (or one of its many clones), that sort of thing. Flat-bed is more common but cylinder-arm tends to be more versatile.

[Wizcrafts]

13 hours ago, Southerngunner said:

Thanks for the input my current machine is actually a Japanese Consew 206 Rb-2 that I made a holster for my son in law and I found the limits of what it can do.

I was hoping with the post bed and once a servo is installed that I might be able to go up to 3 layers of 8 or 9 oz leather,  perhaps I should keep looking.

I have a Singer 168g101 and there's no way it will meaningfully sew 27 ounces of veg-tan leather. It might handle 20 ounces with #138 thread using a #23 titanium coated leather point needle. The machine uses a Singer G size bobbin (aka: 1x) and has about the same walking foot mechanism and handling capability as a 111w103 or w153 (not 155). It is best limited to a sewing thickness of about 5/16 inch and maximum thread size of 138, top and bottom.

I mostly use my Singer 168 post machine to sew patches onto vests and ball caps. Once in a while I sew bag bottoms on it. It can also sew hats together if you want to venture into hat making. Miy machine is normally threaded with #69 bonded thread and a #18 round point needle (for sewing the edges of embroidered patches).

[Southerngunner]

Thanks for the input my current machine is actually a Japanese Consew 206 Rb-2 that I made a holster for my son in law and I found the limits of what it can do.

I was hoping with the post bed and once a servo is installed that I might be able to go up to 3 layers of 8 or 9 oz leather,  perhaps I should keep looking.

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[Wizcrafts]

11 minutes ago, Southerngunner said:

I was hoping with the post bed and once a servo is installed that I might be able to go up to 3 layers of 8 or 9 oz leather,  perhaps I should keep looking.

I recommend looking into a Cowboy CB3200 at a minimum. I personally have a CB4500 that I use for holsters, sheathes and all manner of heavy leather projects. These machines are built to sew thick, dense leather with large diameter bonded thread, using needles that resemble roofing nails.

The 3200 sews up to 1/2 inch. The 4500 sews 7/8 inch. Both easily tension #346 bonded thread.

Don't dink around with lesser machines if you want to get serious about sewing handgun holsters and knife/axe sheathes. They need thick thread to keep them from coming apart under stress. We even used our 4500 to sew a super sized sheath for a Pig axe carried by a volunteer firefighter. These axes are used to break down doors and walls. The sheath needs to be super strong to hold its weight. Don't dink around...

[Southerngunner]

1 hour ago, Wizcrafts said:

I have a Singer 168g101 and there's no way it will meaningfully sew 27 ounces of veg-tan leather. It might handle 20 ounces with #138 thread using a #23 titanium coated leather point needle. The machine uses a Singer G size bobbin (aka: 1x) and has about the same walking foot mechanism and handling capability as a 111w103 or w153 (not 155). It is best limited to a sewing thickness of about 5/16 inch and maximum thread size of 138, top and bottom.

I mostly use my Singer 168 post machine to sew patches onto vests and ball caps. Once in a while I sew bag bottoms on it. It can also sew hats together if you want to venture into hat making. Miy machine is normally threaded with #69 bonded thread and a #18 round point needle (for sewing the edges of embroidered patches).

Your reply is greatly appreciated, I don't think it is the right machine for what I  may be doing in the future , Thanks to you and Matt S for your honest advice . I will probably be better off saving the $500.00 plus and look for a machine more suitable for holsters and such. I belive I will call my dealer and tell him  I'm going to pass on the 168w-101.

Maybe a tippman or Cowboy will show up.  

Thank again,

Terry

[Burkhardt]

Something else nice about the heavier machines as @Wizcrafts mentioned is getting a speed reducer with the bigger machines for the torque through the thicker leather.

[Southerngunner]

I really appreciate everyone's advice.  I called my dealer and told him I was going to pass on that machine,at least I got to him before he spent the time to set it up and service it.

I think  I will  work more with my 206 rb and possibly look at a Tippman Pro, or Cowboy outlaw hand crank for a second machine for heavier  work 

[LinkAiris]

On 12/22/2022 at 8:23 AM, Southerngunner said:

My local shop has a old Singer168w 101 for sale I am planning on buying it once he get serviced and shows me it's working properly. It has a table and light ,the motor is the clutch drive monster. I can get it for $400.00 ,the way it sits after the service,  the first change will be a servo set up, so I will be in it $525.00 or so with new servo.

I am new to machines so I was hoping someone here could give me an opinion on the price

The photo that I have can't download because of size. It looks to be in good shape for a 60 plus year old unit.

Thanks in advance for any opinions good or bad I have no money invested yet.

Terry 

Hi Terry, Congratulations on your potential new purchase! The Singer 168w 101 is a classic industrial sewing machine, known for its durability and heavy-duty performance. Here are a few points to consider regarding the price and overall investment: Price Evaluation: $400 for the machine, table, and light, especially after a servicing, sounds like a reasonable deal for an industrial machine of this caliber. Adding a servo motor for around $125 brings your total to $525, which is still quite competitive for a reliable machine that can handle heavy materials. Condition: Since the machine has been serviced and will be demonstrated as working properly, you can have more confidence in its condition. Look for signs of wear and tear on key components like the needle bar, presser foot, and feed dogs. Even if it's in good shape, minor parts might still need replacement over time. Clutch vs. Servo Motor: Clutch motors are robust and powerful but can be loud and less precise. A servo motor, on the other hand, will give you more control, is quieter, and generally more energy-efficient. Upgrading to a servo motor is a smart move, especially if you're new to sewing machines, as it offers better speed control and less noise. Historical Value: Given that it's a 60-plus-year-old unit, it also has some historical value and craftsmanship that modern machines might lack. Many vintage sewing enthusiasts find these machines to be well worth the investment. Additional Costs: Consider any potential costs for accessories, needles, and spare parts. While Singer parts are usually accessible, it's something to keep in mind. Usage: Think about what you'll be using the machine for. The 168w 101 is great for heavy fabrics and leather, so if that’s your intended use, it’s a solid choice. Overall, based on your description and the price, it seems like a fair deal, especially after ensuring it's in good working order post-service. The servo motor upgrade will significantly enhance your experience. Just make sure to see it in action and confirm everything is functioning as expected before finalizing the purchase.

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[Southerngunner]

2 hours ago, LinkAiris said:

Hi Terry, Congratulations on your potential new purchase! The Singer 168w 101 is a classic industrial sewing machine, known for its durability and heavy-duty performance. Here are a few points to consider regarding the price and overall investment: Price Evaluation: $400 for the machine, table, and light, especially after a servicing, sounds like a reasonable deal for an industrial machine of this caliber. Adding a servo motor for around $125 brings your total to $525, which is still quite competitive for a reliable machine that can handle heavy materials. Condition: Since the machine has been serviced and will be demonstrated as working properly, you can have more confidence in its condition. Look for signs of wear and tear on key components like the needle bar, presser foot, and feed dogs. Even if it's in good shape, minor parts might still need replacement over time. Clutch vs. Servo Motor: Clutch motors are robust and powerful but can be loud and less precise. A servo motor, on the other hand, will give you more control, is quieter, and generally more energy-efficient. Upgrading to a servo motor is a smart move, especially if you're new to sewing machines, as it offers better speed control and less noise. Historical Value: Given that it's a 60-plus-year-old unit, it also has some historical value and craftsmanship that modern machines might lack. Many vintage sewing enthusiasts find these machines to be well worth the investment. Additional Costs: Consider any potential costs for accessories, needles, and spare parts. While Singer parts are usually accessible, it's something to keep in mind. Usage: Think about what you'll be using the machine for. The 168w 101 is great for heavy fabrics and leather, so if that’s your intended use, it’s a solid choice. Overall, based on your description and the price, it seems like a fair deal, especially after ensuring it's in good working order post-service. The servo motor upgrade will significantly enhance your experience. Just make sure to see it in action and confirm everything is functioning as expected before finalizing the purchase.

Thanks for your reply, I passed on that machine but it is still at the shop 1 1/2 years later. Every time that I stop in I'm tempted to ask about it just because it a cool vintage machine.  But I am  actually thinking of a cowboy 4500 or cobra class 4 to do more than my class 26 cobra can do, I also picked up an enconosew 18 inch arm shoe patcher copy of the singer 29 series..