2Nd Rawhide Flop

[roo4u]

megabit is right...the wood stick, aka mandrel, are mostly just for learning. . all my small knots, ring knots, gauchos, pineapple knots whatever i need i tie around my finger. bigger projects i tie right on the item. even a botan or a pampas button...when i put them on bracelets i braid them right on.

[skyout]

Hi Tracy,

I did a quick search on site as well as Google search and came up empty handed.

Would you have any pictures of the botan and pampas buttons? Possibly some links?

TIA

Rick

skyout

[Aggiebraider]

They are both in one of Grants books, without getting it out and looking, I want to say they are in the Encyclopedia of Rawhide Braiding or whatever its called.

CW

[roo4u]

they are in bruce grants encyclopedia...i think they are not a popular knot because they are hard to tie and i dont think you can interweave them...least ive never tried. the small boton is also called a fan knot and the large boton is also the three section fan knot, it is considered very difficult. the pampas is a 3 section lazy knot and is easier than a boton to tie. im making some bracelets now so ill take some pix of these when im done.

i really like them because i think they are some of the prettier knots to tie.

[skyout]

Thanks, looking forward to the pics as I don't have any braiding books yet.

I have heard of the Gaucho Fan Knot???

http://www.khww.net/articles.php?article_id=10

Rick

skyout

Edited September 25, 2010 by skyout

[roo4u]

i dont think thats the same thing the small boton is tied similar to a gaucho knot not started as a turkshead.

[skyout]

Thanks Tracy,

Here are the Grid Maker links to the 2 pass + the 3 pass Gaucho Fan Knots.

This is the 9x8 2 pass Gaucho knot, which is enlarged from a 5x4 2 pass Gaucho knot

(Hall calls this 5x4 Gaucho a very small Spanish Ring knot).

I made this grid after Brian showed us the 3 pass below.

2 pass Gaucho Fan Knot

Brian, aka: knothead, showed us this grid over on KHWW.net. Brian's thread on the Grid Maker

3 pass Gaucho Fan Knot

Sorry, hope I'm not hijacking the thread too much.

Rick

skyout

Edited September 25, 2010 by skyout

[roo4u]

no the small boton is similar too the gaucho knot but not the same... the edges are o2u2 but the center is o3u3. in the large boton the edges are o2u2 and the center is o6u6

[skyout]

no the small boton is similar too the gaucho knot but not the same... the edges are o2u2 but the center is o3u3. in the large boton the edges are o2u2 and the center is o6u6

Thanks Tracy.

See if these look better (the bights can be adjusted following the common divisor rule to make a larger knot).

Small boton knot

Large boton knot

[roo4u]

nope not those either....here are the over unders from bg book

the small boton oriental or small fan knot.

begin as a gaucho knot of two passes. thong is passed up around mandrel and then back down o1, up o1, down o2, up o2, down u1 o2, up u1 o2, down u2 o2, up u2 02. now here is where the difference starts. down u3 o2, up u3 o2, down o1u3o2, upo1u3o2, down o2u3o2

up o2u3o2, down o3u3o2, up o3u3o2, down u1o3u3o2, up u1o3u3o2, down u2o3u3o2. now the working end is brought around u2 alongside the standing. and your done.

3 section fan or boton oriental

begin up thong is wrapped twice around mandrel now down o1 u1 o1, up o1u1o1, down o2u2o2, up o2u2o2, down u1o2u4o2, up u1o2u4o2, down u2o2u6o2, up u2o2u6o2, downo1u2o3u4o1u2o2, up o1u2o3u4o1u2o2, down o2u2o4u4o2u2o2, up o2u2o4u4o2u2o2,

down u1o2u2o5u5o2u2o2, up u1o2u2o5u5o2u2o2, down u2o2u2o6u6o2u2o2, working end bought around 2 along side standing end your done!!!

i will try to post pix of these and the large and small pampas knots during construction sometime in the next couple of days. hopefully it will help you to follow the instructions.