Help With Nose Button

[Aggiebraider]

Howdy Everyone,

So with the weather colder I have actually found some time to get some braiding done, and have been trying to finish a noseband for a tiedown for a Christmas present. Well as the title says, I am having serious issues with the nose button. Attached are photos, please take a look and see if you can give me some advice. I had everything laid out really well, and had troubles when I started crowning the strands over the ring knots at each end. I think the Spanish Ring knots I used are too small. What do yall use for the ends? The first picture I am pretty happy with the spacing, but as you go towards the right and the third picture, you can see there is too much space out toward the end. How do you determine how many parts you need to do for a nose button? I made this one 8", so its a little smaller than most. Any help and advice on this is greatly appreciated. I think I have a way in my head to fix to spacing issue, but the ends popping off made me really frustrated.

Thanks and happy holidays,

CW

[miguelm]

hello,you need cover the spanish ring. But you have to do the 2 pass spanish ring knot - not flat-

Miguel Marcos.

http://www.secretosdelcuero.blogspot.com

[Aggiebraider]

Not to be argumentative Miguel, bud I did do a 2 pass Spanish RIng knot. I think it looks so small and flat, because it is lol I used 1/8" lace for it and think I should have used something larger.

Thanks though,

CW

[miguelm]

i used normally 1/70 for my lace. You have to tighten the knot with the fid. So I learned of Gail hought. you can see in the art of braiding bosal I

http://www.secretosdelcuero.blogspot.com

[miguelm]

sorry, I was wrong to go mm to inch, I use 1oz X 3/64 inch for my lace.

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[roo4u]

i think you just need a bit bigger of a difference at the end for the strands to lock around....i havent done very many but i usually use a piece of string tied there to keep the strands from slipping off of the end before its finished. i think one of the pinned tutorials has some excellent info on building up the nose and the ends for the button.

take a look at allan tutorial

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=4067

[miguelm]

Gail Hought very well explained step by step in his two book bosal I and bosal II. 6 and 8 strings, and how to add color,.

Miguel

http://www.secretosdelcuero.blogspot.com

[roo4u]

oops i meant Alans' tutorial.

yes gail explains it very well in her book but if aggie is going to get it done for christmas he probably needs to know now. i think the pictures that Alan posted in his tutorial explain it very well. he is a very good braider and has spent time learning from the likes of nate wald.

[miguelm]

you have to tighten the sides of the ring knot with the fid , in this way you give volume to the knot.

know 5 ways to make one a nosse b..., one of my favorites is to make the half with a drawing and the other with another. That hurts me very difficult to teach because I speak spanish.

Also too many Argentine knots with different aplication...

greetings

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[roo4u]

miguel- yes i know what you mean...i use smooth jawed pliers to shape the rings knots i use as foundations for other knots i have done a couple of bosals with knots under the ends of the nose button but i really like the way alans bosals look and the fact that you get a consistent diameter at center and ends with the leather collars instead of knots.