Russo Urban Design Report post Posted February 7, 2011 Hi -my name is Rick and I'm new to the group though is have done a great deal of research on this subject. It's time to purchase a machine... I have narrowed my search down to (I think) the Consew 227R-2 or the Artisan Toro 3000. Preferably new. My requirements are: cylinder arm, servo motor, single needle, walking foot with reverse that matches the forward holes perfectly, capable of sewing a 301 stitch in leather up to 4 layers of 4-5 oz (1/4" to 3/8") with #138 (up to #277 maybe #346) thread, using a leather point needle. The end product will be handbags. Machine speed is NOT an issue - though precision, accuracy and quality are. I do unfortunately have a limited budget of around $2,000 (not the $2,999 range - more like $1,999...). In the past I have discovered that good quality tools are a factor in producing a good quality work. I do not want to wrestle with a machine that no matter your skill level (mine set a novice) that I will be disappointed and discouraged with. I do understand there is and will be a continuing learning curve and I am willing to work with that - but no matter how good you are you can not make that square peg go into the round hole and make it look good! I ask you for your experience and advice in helping me make an educated decision that will not be disappointing or costly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMB Custom Leather Report post Posted February 7, 2011 Spend alittle more and get a Cobra class 3 and be done with it.....just my 2 cents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) The Consew 227 and equivalent machines would work with 3/8" of leather, but are pretty much limited to #138 thread. Once you cross the line to #277 thread, you need a different class of sewing machine. This is what the Cobra, Cowboy, Artisan and Techsew machines are built for. Based on the designs of the Adler 205 and Juki 441, these machines have long needles, high lifting pressor feet, very heavy tension springs, huge bobbins and shuttles, thick take-up levers and ginormous casings. Any one of these stitchers, with a 9" arm, will cost you about $1995, plus shipping. All can sew over 3/4" and handle thread over size 346. Shipping charges will vary with your location, as these are heavy machines that are sent by truck carriers, in semi trailers. Edited February 7, 2011 by Wizcrafts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
