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what it looks like to me...is he used a stitch groover on the inside edge of the 2 border lines...leaving the center raised...then going over that center area with a mule foot stamp tool...also looks like on the outside of the border edges were also done with the groover then border stamped...cuz you can see the lines that run through the border stamps...versus if it were beveled first then stamped...

darryl

So the groover was used 4 times. Right?

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yes 4 times...just practice on a piece of scrap and see if its what your looking for...then it looks like the border stamps are then lined up with the outer edge of the outside groove lines...so the line doesn't actually go through the bottom of the stamps...

i'll give it a try tomorrow and see if i can match it...

darryl

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yes 4 times...just practice on a piece of scrap and see if its what your looking for...then looks like the border stamps are then lined up with the outer edge of the outside groove lines...

i'll give it a try tomorrow and see if i can match it...

darryl

That would great and thanks Sodapop! :)

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well heres my test piece of that pattern...on the inside grooves i went over them 3 times so i could get the center area to appear more raised...

the groove lines will be lighter than the rest...but if your going to dye or antique it...it should be fine...if your just going to oil it etc...not sure if theres a way to brunish those lines a bit before you border stamp them...i know i wouldn't have a steady enough hand to lets say...run some light stain down them without screwin something up hehe

i didn't have his other matching border stamp...anyways, is this pretty much what your lookin at?? also run the modeling tool after all stamped along all the

lines/edges etc...

scabbardtest66_1.jpg

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The double line border was made with a beader blade or a push beader. I'm almost lead to think that t may have been a Mcmillen triple beader. Bruce Johnson would have more insight on this as he snapped up the McMillen triple beader that Bob Douglas had at the show in Sheridan before I even got a look at it!!

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well heres my test piece of that pattern...on the inside grooves i went over them 3 times so i could get the center area to appear more raised...the groove lines will be lighter than the rest...but if your going to dye or antique it...it should be fine...if your just going to oil it etc...not sure if theres a way to brunish those lines a bit before you border stamp them...i know i wouldn't have a steady enough hand to lets say...run some light stain down them without screwin something up hehei didn't have his other matching border stamp...anyways, is this pretty much what your lookin at?? also run the modeling tool after all stamped along all thelines/edges etc...scabbardtest66_1.jpg

Modeling tool? Linky? ;) Edited by DEADEYE
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Modeling tool? Linky? ;)

Rather than use groovers, (which actually cut out a piece of leather & cut off the top of the grain) you might try to use an adjustable marker (dammit, I can't think of the actual name of it! - but tandy sells them- they can be adjusted to whatever width of leather you wish to mark, so if you mark off your first mark off the edge, then you can follow in the first groove & make a second mark. You can also use a 'beader blade', as Elton suggests (Henley sells them, as does tandy in their ceramic series for swivel knives[ which I really think there is too much drag & I don't like them]) which cuts a border of a certain width along your initial border. I know I'm confusing you at this point, but I'm sorry.

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i'm sure you guys are right with the double swivel blade for double borders...then possibly that swivel guide attached??...

but now i'm really curious...look close at the line i pointed at...its looks grooved to me...not cut and beveled...and the color is muted in that line/lines like it would be when the grain is removed...

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Sodapop, I agree with you that the line you pointed to looks grooved, but look at the very bottom of the pic of the scabbard that Deadeye posted: see how it seems to be raised (rather than grooved) as it curves around toward the back... The line seems to be higher than the sunbursts, which leads me to speculate that it was made with a beader blade, rather than a groover. Really, the design could be made several different ways, each of them equally nice.

russ

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