Difference Between Craftool 101 And 106 Bar Grounder?

[5shot]

Anyone know what the difference is? I assume it is size, but I can't find the info anywhere.

I have a 101 and it appears to be about (like almost exactly the same size as a Barry King size 35 that I have.

[Cyberthrasher]

I'm looking at the craftool conversion chart available from Tandy and it looks like the difference is both length and the size of the individual dots. This document is a staple item for me. I have it on all of my computers so I can look up various sizes and options when I'm doing different patterns.

https://www.leathercraftlibrary.com/c-85-free-leathercraft-tooling-patterns-and-leathercraft-how-tos.aspx?pagenum=3

[5shot]

Thanks - that makes it very clear.

[WyomingSlick]

Go to my blog and look at the craftool index;

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=31&showentry=68

The index shows most of the vintage craftools

[Cyberthrasher]

Go to my blog and look at the craftool index;

http://leatherworker...31&showentry=68

The index shows most of the vintage craftools

That's great, but I have to ask. Which came first? Yours or the one on Tandy's library?

For clarity, I'm NOT trying to discredit your index, just curious

[WyomingSlick]

I made my index up from Craftool catalog pages from as back as the 1950s. It includes every Craftool regular stamp ever sold to the general public. It does not have the specials that were only offered to the Craftool Club members. If you will compare them, you will see that my index shows many stamps that are not on the conversion chart because there is no current compatabile tool made for some stamps. And yes, I beat them to the punch by at least five years, or more.

[Cyberthrasher]

If you will compare them, you will see that my index shows many stamps that are not on the conversion chart because there is no current compatabile tool made for some stamps. And yes, I beat them to the punch by at least five years, or more.

Yeah, I looked at yours at work, which is the only place I don't have the Tandy version. Since you have other stuff on it, I'll make sure I get a copy of it set aside at home. Any interest in doing a comparison with other popular makers? I know there's one out there, but I forget how well it compared between the different makers. So, if I were going through an old article and it said to use this craftool beveler, how does that compare to a Barry King beveler of the same size. Stuff like that would be helpful. But, I completely understand if you have no interest in redoing an awesome job

[WyomingSlick]

LOL No I really have no interest in making a comparison chart. Most leather toolers select a tool based on what will do the job for them, not by the numbers. Any tool number suggested by a pattern designer is just that; a suggestion - kinda like "painting by numbers". Almost any pattern can be tooled many differant ways. Some of the "Doodle Pages" show excellent examples of this. Usually any beveler suggested may be substituted for by other similar bevelers that will do the job. In some cases, not. For example: Sheridan tools were designed to fit the needs of a style of leather carving that required steeper angled bevelers than regular Craftools in order to tool designs where there are a lot of beveled lines relatively closer together. While a few of the other Sheridan tools are differant from Craftools, most really are not. These other Sheridan were developed to fill a need for better made tools as Craftools slipped in quality, and selection, over the years. The early pre 60's Craftools are usually every bit as well made as the Sheridan King tools, but of course are much harder to find. It's a little known fact, but Craftool did make some bevelers that were steeper angled than their regular line back in the late 1950's. See attachment below. These were only availible to members of a special club however and are very, very rare! If the owner of Craftool had not died soon after these were made, they may have made their way into the regular tool line. LOL - It is just a coincidence that these "Special" tools have a "S" appended to the tool #; it never meant "Sheridan" like one tool seller tried to tell me.

I would like to make one suggestion to anyone who does desire to obtain bargrounders for Sheridan work. Try to obtain all that you can afford of a particular size at the same time so the maker can make sure they match as well as possible. The fact is that the machining tools used to make the stamps do wear, and tools from differant batches may not match as well as one might want them to.

[Cyberthrasher]

LOL No I really have no interest in making a comparison chart.

No problems there.

I usually just find whatever I have that's handy, or whatever I happen to be able to find from known sources. But, I thought I'd put it out there since I do see a lot of questions along those lines. I pretty much expected that answer though - but you never get what you don't ask for

[Jax]

WyomingSlick, many thanks for taking the time in your blog to do the craftool index I found it a while ago, printed a copy & keep it under my keyboard for reference when shopping for tools & have found it extremely useful, although it has considerably lengthened my "want" list.

Thanks again