Tools Of A Swiss Sattler

[walter roth]

Hi Tor and hallo Bruce

I have emailed you the files by "Lutz Kremp" and "Blanchard".

And here again the link to some good pictures.

I hope it works with the large attachments.

https://sites.google.com/site/ifojoss/outils-bourrelier-sellier/galerie-1

Walter

[Trox]

Hi Tor and hallo Bruce

I have emailed you the files by "Lutz Kremp" and "Blanchard".

And here again the link to some good pictures.

I hope it works with the large attachments.

https://sites.google...llier/galerie-1

Walter

Hi Walter,

thanks for the pdf`s, very nice "tool pornographic`s". I saw some tools there I never seen before, like the Machine à parer # La parfaite rapide" Seems to be a splitting machine that can to skiving too?. Are you familiar with this tool? Among the four splitting machine in the Blanchard catalog there is a well known Osborn #86. Then two others I never seen, one of them looks like the one Dixon offers. I know Blanchard made (or sold) that model too.

Back to your post #1,

In the picture # 6 first row (Werkzeuge 012.jpg) there is a black cast iron clock, beside the pyrograpic tool I been wondering about for some time now. Looks like some kind of heating clock or something, what are you using this tool for.

Finally,

back to our bellowed round knife. In your opinion are the Blanchard knifes with one (or several) medailles any better that the ones with out.

I am getting my eyes opened for American round knifes now; more every day. I have several good CS. Osborne's with Newark stamping. My favorite user now adays is a little 4 inch HF. Osborn, very sturdy and superb steel quality. Apart from one of my Mayer Flamery knifes, the Us made knifes seems to have a bit thicker steel than the French. I just scored a 5 1/2" William Rose and a small 3" star marked CS. Osborne on the Ebay. I heard many good things about the rose knife, I see they sell for top dollar too.

There aren't many old leather tools to be found in my country, I have to use the web to get what I need. I bought allot from French ebay and of course I buy from our friend Bruce here, he offers very nice tools and is a pleasure to deal with. And he is a walking dictionary on leather tools and splitting machines. For those who do not know him I recommend him highly.

Walter, all your tools look completly spot less; did you buy them all new? They look very well cared for every one of them. That brass plough looks like it was made yesterday, and it has to be old since the maker is the Rossler.

Thank you

Tor

[walter roth]

Hi Tor

Back to your post #1,

In the picture # 6 first row (Werkzeuge 012.jpg) there is a black cast iron clock, beside the pyrograpic tool I been wondering about for some time now. Looks like some kind of heating clock or something, what are you using this tool for.

This is quite simple, it is a "thread cage" in French .... "Dividoir a fiscelle"

They laid the cord or thread roll into it tightened down through the hole and hung the whole of the workshop ceiling. Whenever they needed a piece of thread they simply left out, so there were no knots or something ...... (((-:

they used these parts not only for saddlers, they also pack cord was handy.

When you consider what such a casting cost ....... ((-:

Among the four splitting machine in the Blanchard catalog there is a well known Osborn #86. Then two others I never seen, one of them looks like the one Dixon offers. I know Blanchard made (or sold) that model too.

The model looks like dfas Blanchard, I did, but it differs from the type of 86 Osborne and Dixon on the model, but is otherwise very similar.

However, the large model with the pull lever, which is a model fpr belt manufacturer, so for the big belt on the machine earlier.

Therefore it was particularly important that the tightening was very accurate, otherwise the belt was not calm and even jumped off the drive wheel of the machine.

Leg Saddlers you found the model rarely, because the big companies had always hired a propellant Maschine-Strap-Sattler, and the saddler has these splitter.

Rose Knives............

As for the Half-Moon Knife, I used up to now none of Rose, Osborne, etc. Gomph

Here are the little known in Europe, and they are much too small.

If Bruce once has a 7 inch, I'll buy it.

II use the knife liked when they have 8-9 inches, including they are small for me .........

I have Half-Moon with 12 Inches......((((((-:

But I have no doubt that there was in the U.S. toolmaker, or .... still, make good knives.

I find the wide French edger of Gomph indeed better than anything made ​​Blanchard.

Very handy, fine and good to grind.

Greeting

Walter

[walter roth]

Splitter 2............

Incidentally, I have a splitter such as this.

http://brucejohnsonl...rn-splitter.jpg

the ........... but of "Meyer and Flammery Paris" and has a metal plate on it.

Which also differs from the models from which one finds in the U.S..

I'm going to take pictures, but it takes a few days.

I think these chips were copied each other and used as popular.

The old one simple model is a guy like him Randall also produced, as they are seen on Bruce's website.

Here in Europe we use the splitter with hand crank from German production, which were then sold by Blanchard.

These are the best there is, the only set of knives is very delicate.

http://brucejohnsonl...rs-and-skivers/

I have bought all old gate, my tools, new ngab it only little.

When the sattlöern was some things never used, then they were some very beautiful in the State.

But for me there are no rist, no patches, no, the finer the surface, the less they will rust.

I have by the plough gouges 10.00 piece models.

These models the Roessler are the most beautiful that exists.

Ihave the paste in any of my posts I described to the grind use, sih you that again.

Lea Compound / http://www.lea.co.uk/abrasive/comps3.htm

Greetings Walter

Edited August 3, 2013 by walter roth

[Trox]

Hi Walter,

that was a very exclusive thread rack, but very very clever. I have seen one for sale at Ebay not many days ago, but now I cannot find anymore (it was cheap because no one knew what it was). Most be very good if you want to make your own hand sewing thread out of sinew or similar.

Thank you for the explanation of the La parfaite rapide splitter. If I understand you correctly these machines was hired in by the big companies with their operator; an heavy belt maker/saddler ( or a driving belt maker in English, who made big industrial leather driving belts for machines)

From what I can understand from the French explanation on the tool site you posted a link for.(It is a picture of it there) It can do a lap skive and both a left and right skive too, Is this correct?

The splitter # 2 you have a Mayer Flamery version of is called the # 83 Spitler`s combination splitter; it does both lap skiving and splitting (see article from Campbell Bosworth about splitting machines) http://campbell-bosworth.com/articles/Splitting-Machines.pdf

This is a smart little machine similar to the # 84 Keystone. I have a Heritage copy of this splitter and it works fine.

The # 86 is made buy many companies, I have a eight inch with out maker name and a ten inch CS. Osb. ( both purchased from Bruce). However, I have seen them in European versions too, green color. And a strange looking model with a top frame over the roller, I cannot see the purpose of this frame because it only have one roller and apart from it looks exactly like the CS. Osb. model 86. Yes the best ones are hand cranked or motor driven, I have been looking for one for a long time now. No luck so far.

So you like those huge round/half moon knifes, 12 inch, thats 30 cm thats some knife. Thats the "Crocodile Dundee" of round knifes .

I have a couple which I regards as big: an Blanchard 19 cm and an Fernand Mayer 21 cm. Those are small compared to yours. I seldom use them for other than long roll cuts, I find them a bit hard to control on smaller jobs.

Yes, I use a similar grinding paste like your of German origin. I keep my tools polished with it and have no need to resharpen any of them, I am only polishing them on the leather strop board or a buffing wheel.

Thank you

Tor

[walter roth]

Hi Tor.............

The # 86 is made buy many companies, I have a eight inch with out maker name and a ten inch CS. Osb. ( both purchased from Bruce). However, I have seen them in European versions too, green color. And a strange looking model with a top frame over the roller, I cannot see the purpose of this frame because it only have one roller and apart from it looks exactly like the CS. Osb. model 86. Yes the best ones are hand cranked or motor driven, I have been looking for one for a long time now. No luck so far.

This brace over the role to only make the handling easier ..

This clip is pressed forward to lay the leather under the knife, let go and then you can pull it through the splitter and split leather.

This is handy if you do not want to just split a belt, but several of the same thickness.

Then it is not to make precise, if you always use the crank to adjust the thickness. No, the crank can mean such one, and used the bracket to the splitter to open, and then introduce the leather.

The splitter is the best. Below the link, it is that I use for 30 years

The model in the picture has the additional apparatus for machine belts columns, but this is not really good. The machine itself is but excellent.

But it is not by Blanchard, who they sold but they came from Germany.

here is the photo link..............

https://fbb03d4f-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/ifojoss/outils-bourrelier-sellier/galerie-1/510.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7creRNDrSQrZjI0X6oeG5TOXUiWuISzsHcFfrdepEJQX_zxXrZvb6CLHmP54kxv4_zBz807x3a9hG4wcrjykE0JuGoISqfSUs_R6XUY4rY4ou5sntJDq_ZCOX5MNKzVYXu7Sn8kbNQe6o6L4VXd5g07EiEwswXKq0GZDWVMg8u4Qt2jJNiTg7Yvj_yBCTx3VT3YdC7rDGBz1I0FRpMuijV7C1FVJWumcFyrqkATj1LIqNBtETbVO1C0Hi9ixOBt1MXZs8ht2&attredirects=0

Yes, I use a similar grinding paste like your of German origin. I keep my tools polished with it and have no need to resharpen any of them, I am only polishing them on the leather strop board or a buffing wheel.

The paste that I use to "before polishing" to grind the surfaces and prepare for the polish, but is not a polishing paste, but a grinding paste with a grain size of 80,

120, 150, etc.

Here you can see how the bars look.

http://www.caswellplating.com.au/store/store.php/products/lea-greaseless-compound

Or do you get them here also.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_96_214_216&products_id=3184&osCsid=dced

England

http://www.equipmidlands.co.uk/products/polishing-materials-satin-finish-compounds.html

It would interest me but what is your paste, as it is called and who makes them? .....?

Can you give me a link to .....?

Greeting

Walter

[Trox]

Hi Walter,

About the splitting machine that looks like a # 86, its do not have a brass bar for material (or it might have that too). However, it is a part of the cast iron frame that goes higher than the roll. I cannot find a picture of it, and I do not remember who had one. Maybe it was Ralph ( my friend the Leather Guru). He has allot of big powered band knife splitters and stuff, I think he has a small Blanchard pull true too. Never mind, If I find a picture of I will show you what I mean.

Yes I am looking for a good splitting machine, but cannot afford a band knife. Nor have I room for more big machines in my workshop now without expanding. After I stuffed a big clicking machine in to my small shop its completely full. On twenty square meters i now have, four big industrial sewing machines, a bell knife skiving machine on metal closed stand and a old Sandt clicking machine.Seven bench machines, placed high and low. I got to sell seven sewing machines, I just stored the old ones instead of selling them. Good old Adler's are hard to sell, you never know when these new machines break down and you need a back up. I do have buyers for them too, when I find a nice hand or motor cranked splitter I will sell a machine to finance it. You know the German company Sieck? who sell used leather machines

http://www.sieck.de/en/machines/splitting/

They often have nice hand cranked splitters, but always very expensive. I have dealt with them before and can get the price down a bit. However, "a bit" is not enough with those start up prices.

That paste you using looks to be very tough, I will certainly try it out thank you. The compound I am using is called Menzerna. Here is a link to their brand new website, last time I looked they did not have one. I bought my compound block from a local leather craft suppliers almost ten years ago, still its more than half left. (and I use it on the wheel all the time) On a cut scale from 1 to 10 (10 is max) ; mine is a 4. Still it cuts pretty good as well as its polish, its a all-round compound. I do have something that suppose to cut more from an other brand, but it does not. You see here they have a full line of products too. German quality, they do not brag unnecessary of their products; they just makes it very good. You know what I mean. http://www.menzerna.com/en/products/solid-pastes/metal/?num=1

Its a button for German language top left on the site. It has maintained my tools and refurbished many old ones too. I do need something that grinds lie the one you showed me, I will give it a shot.

Thank you

[walter roth]

Hi Trox

Yes of course I know the company Sieck.

But they usually have machines from the industry, the weirklich good little Spaltmschinen you never will unfortunately.

Edit thin fine leather is not really with them.

And ...."Müller und Kurt" Machines are not really good, except for gross stuff

Spare parts for these machines and reprocessing are at .... "Wolfgang Twenty MKO Offenbach" ..... made, the page I posted in connection with the last German toolmaker for Saddler's tools.

All spare parts you get there.

The type of splitter 86 to the bracket on the matter, because I know and I have you ever really understood how you meinnst it.

This is a model from Europe, perhaps the first model or a Copie, who knows? ....?

But for the work they are handier.

A premium recycled splitting machine always costs the 1000-1500 Swiss francs. Because the old cost 500 and the repair position of the knife with hollow-cut and adjust and clean the whole a lot of work.

I need this mostly as two days, it makes the fine leg provide the lower transport roller, upper roller and the blade about 2 hours work.

For this, the machine will work much better than anything else.

Unfortunately, I just do not sell to, but have been safely treated at the 10.

I've seen your link to the paste, but it is not vergleiochbar with that I use.

If you are viewing categories, I can send you a sample patterns once.

you'll see the difference immediately.

greeting

Walter

Edited August 4, 2013 by walter roth

[Leather Guru]

Hello Walter & Tor

A few pics of the old tools I rarely if ever I use any more . While you guys have been collecting sattler's tools most of mine were for maroquinerie ( leatherwork )

[walter roth]

Leather Guru

But hey ...........

You're not from a bad family,,,,, ((((-:

So as a Knife, a Quarter-Moon I am looking for a long time.

The image 4 on the left JPG 36, from below the 5 th Knive I mean.

represents round-quarter moon.

Reifel and the bone jaws (Creasser with Bone nand Woodenhandle) who also like it very much, is also a model unknown to me.

On the left of Figure 5, or JPG 37, second from right, in the upper right corner I think.

If you are looking for something and want to share what.

I also have round-iron awls, round of quite outstanding quality of old! ....

Or do you need a set of old Blanchard pricking wheel, 8-20 blind or normal .....? ..... - 30 years ago bought at Blanchard .....!!

greeting

Walter.

Oh, .................and it's the first time that I see this model Splitter, and carries a brand of blanchard.

ps.

Here is the link to a manufacturer of saddlery bone.

In German Langwhich ......Sattler - Falzbein.

http://bruno-otto.de...ard_seite2.html

Edited August 4, 2013 by walter roth

[Leather Guru]

Hi Walter ,

I thought you would like the quarter moon knife I bought it 35 years ago from a shop in Bruxelles .I've been making my own knives for the past 20 years from high speed steel saw blades & they are the best but they are made to do bags & wallets .

Fredrich Herder (solingen) also still make some beautiful knives . The Don Carlos collection .

Thanks for the link from the bone tools , but I make my own tools in bone or animal horns . I maybe have 20 or so ! Actually the tool you liked with bone I made myself many years ago .

I'll send some more pics later today.

[walter roth]

Hi Leather Guru.

Ah, you've made yourself ..... ((-:

Very well.

I have here a link on the Horn as material.

http://de.hornvarefabrikken.dk/falzbein/

But I have not ordered anything yet there.

greeting

Walter

[Leather Guru]

Hello Walter,

some more tools. Those knives are made by me from saw blades.

Please send me your address.

See you soon,

Ralph.

[walter roth]

Wen i make such leather skiving work, I also use the Half Moon Knive.

But I use it as a pad to work a lithographic stone, because of this the knife grinds rather than doing it in the butt to work even at a very shallow angle works.

http://www.google.ch/search?q=lithographiestein&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.bGE,pv.xjs.s.en_US.seW1cfrvSKg.O&biw=1101&bih=626&wrapid=tlif137563858861410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=de&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hJT-UYygKY_g7Qack4GwDQ#imgdii=_

yes, I know the knife, but use them less.

Ds are you doing in any case very well, and with a nice hollow grind.

greeting

Walter

[Trox]

Hi Walter and Ralph (Leather Guru),

I came home late tonight and its no time to take pictures of tools tonight, I will try tomorrow. I knew Ralph had a Blanchard splitter, but it was not the model I was trying to explain to you Walter. Never mind about it, I will find a picture of it and post it here later. Walter, thanks for the advising about European splitters. I hope you do not mind if I consult you before buying one, if I find one for sale. The best ting would of course be a band knife machine, If I can find one I can afford I will buy it. Used splitters are generally hard to find in my parts of the world, and people are always looking to buy them. Please let me know if you know about anything for sale.

I will try the grinding compound you showed me, Thank you.

About the horn falzbein, looking good than Danish bone folder. I cant stand the smell of working with horn, I do not do it more than I have too. So I gladly pay for a nice one.

Thanks

Here I found a splitter who looks like the one I am talking about, but it did not have the top roller. Maybe it was taken off. This looks to be German, do you recognize it? Its old/sold now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-7-75-BENCH-LEATHER-SPLITTER-LIKE-OSBORNE-KREBS-/111084752391?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=GC5Z9D8xS1sLHCQ7DmB1AGc6Jbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Hello Ralph,

very nice tools collection.

I also admire that large quarter moon knife, beautiful handle as well. They are seldom for sale, I have seen some at French ebay but with simple handles and make. The small knife with a guide, who looks like a bag makers knife. (On the same picture; second from bottom left). Very nice tool, I am looking for one, what do call it?

Also the tool to the right of it, is it a small pattern knife?

The Ebay link above was close to the splitter type I was talking about with Walter.

The Blanchard version of the # 86 looks like an improvement of the Osborn, looks more sturdy in the frame and have a guide to avoid cutting off the straps (I made one myself on mine). You have many fine filet tools (creasing tools), what kind of heater are you using on them.

Thanks for posting your tools, very nice.

I will try to post some of mine tomorrow.

Good night

Tor

[walter roth]

Hi Trox

http://www.ebay.com/...cvip=true&rt=nc

This is precisely that of which I spoke, I just have too.

You can press the bracket forward so that it lifts the thin upper roller and then you can introduce the leather.

So you can once again reached Leather thickness equal split.

I'm going to make a few photos of my splitters on occasion. But it takes something as 2 weeks.

greeting

Walter

Ps: And of course we are all waiting curious about the beautiful Photos ..... (((-:

Edited August 5, 2013 by walter roth

[Trox]

Hi Trox

http://www.ebay.com/...cvip=true&rt=nc

This is precisely that of which I spoke, I just have too.

You can press the bracket forward so that it lifts the thin upper roller and then you can introduce the leather.

So you can once again reached Leather thickness equal split.

I'm going to make a few photos of my splitters on occasion. But it takes something as 2 weeks.

greeting

Walter

Ps: And of course we are all waiting curious about the beautiful Photos ..... (((-:

Thank you Walter,

My collection is nothing compared to yours, you got some years on me. I have not been doing leather work all my life. I will see what I can do after I have walked my dogs

Greetings

Tor

[walter roth]

Hi Tor...

Very thanks.

Well, you do what you can.........................

Can I get in the next few weeks even a sliver with crank from German production.

One of the very fine, lightweight, an very handy.

If I get it I will add it here, and if one is interested, he can buy them.

She should be not even expensive. .....)))))) But I still don't have it in my hands. ((((((

I do photos in the next few Days time of my Splitters, you see dan what it so looks like in the Switzerland.

I'm amazed that very good fine German Models are never anywhere to see, especially in the United States, not always.

Where are the Splitter-Machine ? just the all...?....)))-:

For me always amazing, this one in the United States for getting the old Leather-Plane-Encounters, the Splitter Type 86 from Osborne, etc.

Now they're easy and work well, I also use it for certain things.

So look forward to the photos from Tor..........................

Greetings

Walter

[walter roth]

Hi Volks

Here is a company which is still producing some knives.

http://www.carl-schwarte.de/Katalogstart.html

Greetings

Walter

[Trox]

Hello Walter, Ralph and all leather tool freaks,

I been asked to post pictures of my tools. I start with the strap cutters, draw and plough gauges. I use the draw gauge for reins under an inch wide, the plough`s for anything else. What makes a good plough gauge; I believe it is a good knife.

The one who works best of mine the wide 15 cm. Mayer Flamery (bottom and bottom left in the pic.), because it has the best knife steel. Then next (from the bottom) is a 10 cm. Blanchard. Of the same pattern they make today, but still old. It has a ebony handle knife, I always try to keep the ebony handles even when they have cracks. I fill them with epoxy glue.

Next is a J. Dixon 5 inch with a older knife made of his father T. Dixon. The last is a new German 15 cm. M. Paffrath OHG.

Left draw gauge is a CS. Osborne brass and the right is a old HF. Osborne latta pattern knife. In the background on steel unknown and a CS Osb. I am going to refurbish.

I will continue with the other tool as soon as I get them photographed.

Thanks

Tor

[Trox]

Here is some round and skiving knifes. Top row is French Blanchard's, Fernand Mayer, Mayer Flamery. Middle is various French skiving knifes, tranches, E. A. Berg Sweden and two Oslo knifes. Bottom row is CS Osb. and one HF. Osb.. A T. Dixon headknife with a (new handle) A Blanchard cornet (pardon my French) Blade without handle is a Mayer Flamery (which are very good knifes by the way, it will for sure get a new handle soon) I do have more knifes incoming.

Thanks

Tor

[Trox]

Hi again,

here are some more of my leather tools; I am a bit short stock on some types of punches. However, I have punches for my screw presses too. Hammers, hand sewing related tools, good old English John James and Son harness needles from the 1950`s or probably older.

Old linen thread from Bokens , Sweden; from a long gone spinning mill. A old book binders burnisher iron/slicker, CS. Osborn more than hundred years old glass slicker (from Bruce) and mostly US edging tools, one Swedish and a some Blanchard's. And a Norwegian handmade grooving iron (under the horn/bone tools).

My eight inch unmarked # 86 splitter and ten inch CS. Osb. splitter.

Thanks

Tor

[walter roth]

Hello Tor

You have some good stuff, I like to see what others use for such tools.

A Dixon Plough, the model I have none, I have not yet found the right, that is, I do not really like Dixon, a Barnsley could be better. Well, I would not for anything easy money ......)) -:

And the rich Americans who always put their money at UBS, not with me ....... unfortunately .... ((-:

"If time will tell," ...... or just Barnsley. Hope you understand the old saying in my english ..... (((-:

I am amazed that you all Meyer and Flammery Plough have the wind made ​​of steel instead of brass.

You will find very rare that we thought here always, were very expensive and rare only during World War 1 and 2 produced such as brass.

Greetings

Walter

Edited August 7, 2013 by walter roth

[Trox]

Hi Walter,

the Dixon plough gauge is very sturdy built, perhaps a bit over top. I cant imagine anybody who would cut leather that thick. However, this model is the most popular plough in the USA, and Australians are crazy about them. Bruce Johnson has a waiting list on them and they sell for top dollar. The Barnsley tools was always a bit less expensive than the Dixon and their plough was of a simpler construction. Here you see a old and a new Barnsley plough, I have seen tho older looking a bit better thought. The new is made of the sons of George Barnsley ( who lost the company name, they now may have got it back) Woodware rep.(pic two). The last picture is a plough with the old Barnsley maker stamp and has to be from some of the latest tools they made before the company closed down 2004 (I think it was). His sons continued to make wood working tools and some of his shoe making knifes (sold very cheap) under the name of Woodware rep. I think there has been a long fight against the legal system to get their maker name back, It seems like they have got it back now.

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/industrial-sites/79250-george-barnsley-sons-sheffield-march-2013-a.html

There is a private limited company by that name now. A member who lives near by has promised to visit them and get the complete story and check out whats on their catalog today. The latest plough gauge sure do not look like much.

Tor

[walter roth]

Gate .....

I'm looking at a photo of a "Nähkloben" as it is called in Swiss German long which.

The wood part or the sewing pincer. you used to sew the thing really ....?

I've thrown away all those things, they are useless.

What you sewing your work ....?

I use the Swiss bdazu "Nährössli" ​​so the sewing horse.

Thus, the part looks http://www.bernhardw.../eb690a48df.jpg ...... where I have all my harnesses sewn.

greeting

The new Dixon are my poorly made, the Barnsley I like, but only the very old.

I had a very nice from England who was here once, should have bought it.

Everything from Gunnmetal ....

Well, someday I'll find one.

For practical purposes, I think better get updated very often Plough as that of Blanchard and Related Models.

They are also better than the models from England.

Always provided that the knives are properly sharpened,

that is, on the right side plane, and the inner side obliquely outwards

Greetings

Walter

Edited August 7, 2013 by walter roth