Tools Of A Swiss Sattler

[raysouth]

Hello Walter,

You are an amazing person. Your work is outstanding.

It is apparent that you have wonderful talent with your craft.

It is truly an honor, to be able to see such beautiful craftsmanship, and from someone so willing to share the remarkable pictures of his work and collection of tools.

You are the Van Gogh of the leather world.

God Bless.

Ray

[Trox]

This is great stuff Walter. The Internet makes us all neighbors.

I like your set up very much, the machine is nice too; small and handy. Lots of people uses the bigger shop press for embossing and cutting like the example in this thread http://leatherworker...showtopic=35165. The loop patterns looks very good, it takes much time to hand crease them. I bet the embossing plates was expensive to have made. If you have a good contact on embossing plates you want to share please send me a PM or post. I am looking for a manufacturer of metal embossing plates. I am buying some poly/fiber plates from Bunkhouse tools , http://www.bunkhousetools.com/ they are not bad. But I am looking for someone who can engrave custom metal dies too.

Your loops looks very good, what kind of leather do you use? Do you emboss bridle leather ( waxed leather) or do you use wegtan.

Thank you for posting Walter, its been very informative.

Tor

Edited August 29, 2013 by Trox

[walter roth]

Hi Tor

This is hard to describe , I'll make the leather especially .

It is a " smooth leather " , so a little oiled leather with a smooth surface as possible , and it must be very boardy ...... from the best zone of the skin.

Earlier I also used leather tool , so with the hot " stearin " through- greased leather from Swiss Army .... = leather stuff as they say here .

Unfortunately, the European Union has banned the colors you need to make this very hard greased leather to color , so I changed to " smooth leather " . 100 years ago, you use the same leather like I did today , so vegatbil tanned leather, " butt " as the swiss says the leather which comes from the top back portion of beef .

Time to make it , it does not take much ...... 5 minutes.

The engraver made of these plates , I knew certainly 30 years , he's last year with 59 years in the middle of working on the bench and fell over dead .............

He was a respected and very good professional man , well, he will miss you.

In Momment I do not have the workshop I could recommend .

But I could ask who can do it now ? ... ?

These plates way, I first milled in a copper negative , then get spark eroded to a steel -positive.

I myself did it by hand with a graver engraver " reproduced" To do a touchup to give the edges still a better contour.

But I have already made with synthetic chemical molding of originals.

Those were chair seats from the time of 1900.

The original leather with the decoration you need a perfectly straight stick metal plate and make a frame around it, powder them with the leather and fully Gravitpuder giesen with..... "Araldite Black" .

Then harden and separate from the leather , which is possible now because of the powder , and you've got an embossing plate .

At the plate , the wet leather put a felt over it and put a steel plate on top and down below the press where it stops for a day.

The Araldite is indeed a well-known adhesive , and the black is for metals.

These plates tolerated but only a little pressure , do not remember it exactly , so think 3-4 tonnes.

today is the engraving plates such as I have , however, become easier because the controllers of machine tools are much better than 20 years ago , 3-D engraving is easy to do today .

greeting

Walter

Edited August 30, 2013 by walter roth

[walter roth]

Hi Ray ......

Thanks for the praise.

One does what one can.

I always assumed each order so that was also difficult.

That was the time this variety in the craft.

And I love it when you have something on the table after work and it is well made and of fine quality.

I have always taken care of everything that had to do with saddlery, all interested me and I've often made work ........... and that no money earned ...... ((-:

But there were still things I would like to do, as a braided rawhide bridle as in the United States ....... (((-:

I only wanted to be a goldsmith, but there was almost no a good job of apprentices trained man .................. and yet really genuine jewelery from A - Z produced.

But I would still prefer to become a gunsmith, but also because there was no training courses to learn the job.

Art - blacksmith would have been something ...... the same as with the above two appointed.

But as a saddlery I found something and I liked it.

Here in Switzerland you do so, a professional training which usually lasts 4 years.

greeting

Walter

Edited August 30, 2013 by walter roth

[walter roth]

Hi Tor

Interesting links.

This workshop presses were too big and too expensive damal.

But it can be done well, of course.

But it takes a very smooth straight top and bottom plate else makes you the tools broken.

The company with the plastic Emboser Wheels, interesting.

The technology has been known for a long time, only the steel rollers out there, usually very high in price.

But interesting .................

greeting

Walter

[Trox]

Thank you Walter for the explanations, it is very interesting.

To bad the engraver is not with us anymore. There are a few of your words I do not understand, could you please explain the process in German. The process of of copying the pattern from the original leather to the copper negative. Do not stress about finding any engraver, only if you meet one anyway. I do not wont you to have any extra trouble/work because of me. However, I will be grateful of any tip thank you very much.

And thanks for taking the time to explain all these interesting techniques.

About the Bunkhouse poly embossing plates. I have bought a few from them, they also sell under the seller name ducktrader on EBay. I use the plates in my old German Sandt clicking press, I do not know exactly the power of this machine. It has between 6 to 8 tons pressure, I think. The company recommend to put a sheet of heavy rubber under the leather when using them, and I do. They provide the rubber with the dies/plates, and they hold up good so far. They are pretty cheap and some of them gives a real good impression, some are not that good but still workable. I also tried another poly embossing plate bought on the Ebay, they ship from Thailand and Spain. The plate was very thin and wrongly made, I can not recommend these plates. However, Bunkhouse is very nice people and their plates are very strong. I am looking at their embossing machine too, it takes a one inch roll and can be used with a variety of other rolls. Its a simple design that works, it gets good reviews. Its about 500$ for the machine. I got a tip about another machine made by a Amish man in New York that should be a better machine in the same price range. However, he is hard to contact because he do not uses any modern forms of communication only letters. Moreover, he do not respond frequently to these letters either (once a year). I think thats not possibly for me who lives so far away. I was thinking about welding up a embosser myself, but then again I get paid for doing leatherwork and not welding.

To something completely else. I got an Email from Thomas Brinkhoff (head of spare parts Dürkopp Adler) about the new 967 and 969 H types machines from DA. They are made to sew extreme applications (such as our leather work), have a very high foot lift of 30 mm. Integrated position motor, electronic bobbin winder, easy adjustments of stroke and position. And a very smooth design, and I bet they cost allot of Euros £ $. They have a video of it on Youtube and on their site. Nevertheless, no pdf data sheets yet.

Looking very good.

Tor

[walter roth]

Hello Ledehandwerker ....

Here is something about tool.

Starting with the "Priks" as they say here in Switzerland, or in French - "Griffe à molette" .......... or English - "PrickingWheels"

The sizes of the wheels go down there 4-24 stitches per inch.

Where 24 is almost unnähbar.

In between, one can see "Priks" with so-called "blind Wheels" a certain fondness saddlery equal to the seam wanted to push something in leather with iron wheels.

Then the English "Prik" with the white button on top which was made from ox-bone on the reef.

A very rare specimen. Ic had in the 30 years seen only once, except of course my part here .... (((-:

Full linkis are still 3 tools with which the saddler stirrer most marked for a rough total on a simp decoration like bells belts for cows. Let it be just easier to sell with a bit of decoration .... ((-:

More tomorrow, mene rough waiting, we go to the "Pig Roast"

As they say here in the fall when the farmers slaughter the pigs and then they cook pig-roasting sausages, blood sausages and meat with sauerkraut boiler. etc.

greeting

Walter

[walter roth]

Hi Thor

Did not see your post, just had a little time.

I'll answer you tomorrow.

Quick ............. you only the LABELS ... http://www.boglegreenwell.com/belts.php

http://www.boglegreenwell.com/product_images/BOGLE-GREENWELL% 20MACHINERY% 20025.jpg

The rest tomorrow.

Greeting

Walter

[walter roth]

_{Hi gate}

_{I'm going next week, the copper electrodes photographs I have taken as negative.}

_{It is so. today you can mill with the modern technology of CNC controls, these panels as unique as such, even in 3-D, so on a plate on the inside has a slight radius.}

_{Earlier, 100 years ago had to do that in steel as a single piece of hand engraving, ie, the gross wells were milled, and then engraved by hand after.}

_{This made these plates very expensive.}

_{When I left to make this Platen, since I have the pattern zuest be used to mill a plate Kuper. Because of the radius, the plates are not just yes, you could do it pretty well, just napped the many small pyramid-shaped which can be seen in the positve as wells that would, if one makes the disk directly to engrave hard as wells .}

_{So I first made a "copper-negative", which I used as an electrode "erode" for the "Steel positives", ie the actual embossing tool.}

_{https://www.google.ch/search?q=erodieren&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pY4rUuyGCcGJ7AbOxoGYAw&sqi=2&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1096&bih=572}

_{Deutsche Version / German Langwhitch.}

_{Hallo Tor}

_{Ich werde dir nächste Woche die Kupferelektroden Fotografieren, die ich als negativ gemacht habe um die Stahlplatten zu erodeiren.}

_{Es ist so. heute kann man mit der modernen Technik der CNC Steuerungen, diese Platten als Unikat direkt fräsen, auch in 3-D, also auf eine Platte die innen einen leichten Radius hat.}

_{Früher, vor 100 Jahren, musste man das in Stahl als Einzelstück von Hand gravieren, das heisst, die groben Vertiefungen wurden gefräst, und dann von Hand nach gestochen.}

_{Das machte diese Platten sehr teuer.}

_{Als ich diese Platen machen liess, da habe ich die Muster zuerst auf eine Kupferplatte fräsen lassen. Wegen des Radius, die Platten sind ja nicht gerade, konnte man das recht gut machen, die vielen kleinen pyramiden-förmigen rauten die im Positiv als Vertiefungen zu sehen sind, die wären, wenn man die Platte direkt macht, als Vertiefungen schwer zu gravieren.}

_{Also machte ich zuerst ein "Kupfer-negativ", und das benutzte ich als Elektrode zum "erodieren" des "Stahlpositives", also des eigentlichen Prägewerkzeuges.}

_{Gruss Walter}

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_{Vielen Dank für Ihren Beitrag.}

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Edited September 7, 2013 by walter roth

[walter roth]

Hi Tor

Also, die neuen Adler Maschinen sind sicher super, aber vermutlich fast unbezahlbar.....((-:

Aber Danke für die Infos.

Deutsche Version, ....................Prägeplatten selber gemacht.

Aso nun noch zu herstellung von Prägeplatten für einzelobjekte.

Ich habe die einmal mit Araldit-schwarz gemacht.

Aradit ist ein 2-Komponenten Klebstoff.

Ich habe dmals das Original Lederteil auf eine ganz gerade Unterlage gekebt, das Leder mit Grafitpuder bestreut .....und den Araldit darauf gegossen. Etwa 3 cm dick.

Ihn dann aushärten lassen, und wegen des Puders konnte man ihn nun einfach vom Leder abnehmen.

Und schon hatte ich eine Prägeplatte.........

Ich klebte diese Platte auf eine Stahlplatte damit sie gut gelagert ist und ohne luft dazwischen, dann das nass Leder drauf, einen dicken Filz darüber, nochmals eine Stahlplatte darauf, und nun legte ich das ganze unter die Presse.

Allerdings ist dazu deine Stanze nicht brauchbar, denn der Druck sollte einige Zeit bestehen bleiben, damit sich das Leder an die Form anpasst.

English.............

Embossing plates made himself.

Aso now still manufacture of dies for individual objects.

I once made with Araldite black.

Aradit is a 2-component adhesive.

I have the original leather then glued part in a very level surface, sprinkled the leather with graphite powder ..... and poured the Araldite it. About 3 cm thick.

Then let it harden, and because of the powder could now easily remove it from the leather.

And I already had an embossing plate .........

I pasted this plate to a steel plate so that it is stored well and no air in between, then the wet leather on it, a thick felt about once a steel plate on it, and now I put the whole of the press.

However, it is not useful to your punch, because the pressure should remain some time, so that the leather conforms .

Greeting

Walter

Edited September 7, 2013 by walter roth