Tools Of A Swiss Sattler

[walter roth]

Hi Tor.............

The # 86 is made buy many companies, I have a eight inch with out maker name and a ten inch CS. Osb. ( both purchased from Bruce). However, I have seen them in European versions too, green color. And a strange looking model with a top frame over the roller, I cannot see the purpose of this frame because it only have one roller and apart from it looks exactly like the CS. Osb. model 86. Yes the best ones are hand cranked or motor driven, I have been looking for one for a long time now. No luck so far.

This brace over the role to only make the handling easier ..

This clip is pressed forward to lay the leather under the knife, let go and then you can pull it through the splitter and split leather.

This is handy if you do not want to just split a belt, but several of the same thickness.

Then it is not to make precise, if you always use the crank to adjust the thickness. No, the crank can mean such one, and used the bracket to the splitter to open, and then introduce the leather.

The splitter is the best. Below the link, it is that I use for 30 years

The model in the picture has the additional apparatus for machine belts columns, but this is not really good. The machine itself is but excellent.

But it is not by Blanchard, who they sold but they came from Germany.

here is the photo link..............

https://fbb03d4f-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/ifojoss/outils-bourrelier-sellier/galerie-1/510.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7creRNDrSQrZjI0X6oeG5TOXUiWuISzsHcFfrdepEJQX_zxXrZvb6CLHmP54kxv4_zBz807x3a9hG4wcrjykE0JuGoISqfSUs_R6XUY4rY4ou5sntJDq_ZCOX5MNKzVYXu7Sn8kbNQe6o6L4VXd5g07EiEwswXKq0GZDWVMg8u4Qt2jJNiTg7Yvj_yBCTx3VT3YdC7rDGBz1I0FRpMuijV7C1FVJWumcFyrqkATj1LIqNBtETbVO1C0Hi9ixOBt1MXZs8ht2&attredirects=0

Yes, I use a similar grinding paste like your of German origin. I keep my tools polished with it and have no need to resharpen any of them, I am only polishing them on the leather strop board or a buffing wheel.

The paste that I use to "before polishing" to grind the surfaces and prepare for the polish, but is not a polishing paste, but a grinding paste with a grain size of 80,

120, 150, etc.

Here you can see how the bars look.

http://www.caswellplating.com.au/store/store.php/products/lea-greaseless-compound

Or do you get them here also.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_96_214_216&products_id=3184&osCsid=dced

England

http://www.equipmidlands.co.uk/products/polishing-materials-satin-finish-compounds.html

It would interest me but what is your paste, as it is called and who makes them? .....?

Can you give me a link to .....?

Greeting

Walter

[Trox]

Hi Walter,

About the splitting machine that looks like a # 86, its do not have a brass bar for material (or it might have that too). However, it is a part of the cast iron frame that goes higher than the roll. I cannot find a picture of it, and I do not remember who had one. Maybe it was Ralph ( my friend the Leather Guru). He has allot of big powered band knife splitters and stuff, I think he has a small Blanchard pull true too. Never mind, If I find a picture of I will show you what I mean.

Yes I am looking for a good splitting machine, but cannot afford a band knife. Nor have I room for more big machines in my workshop now without expanding. After I stuffed a big clicking machine in to my small shop its completely full. On twenty square meters i now have, four big industrial sewing machines, a bell knife skiving machine on metal closed stand and a old Sandt clicking machine.Seven bench machines, placed high and low. I got to sell seven sewing machines, I just stored the old ones instead of selling them. Good old Adler's are hard to sell, you never know when these new machines break down and you need a back up. I do have buyers for them too, when I find a nice hand or motor cranked splitter I will sell a machine to finance it. You know the German company Sieck? who sell used leather machines

http://www.sieck.de/en/machines/splitting/

They often have nice hand cranked splitters, but always very expensive. I have dealt with them before and can get the price down a bit. However, "a bit" is not enough with those start up prices.

That paste you using looks to be very tough, I will certainly try it out thank you. The compound I am using is called Menzerna. Here is a link to their brand new website, last time I looked they did not have one. I bought my compound block from a local leather craft suppliers almost ten years ago, still its more than half left. (and I use it on the wheel all the time) On a cut scale from 1 to 10 (10 is max) ; mine is a 4. Still it cuts pretty good as well as its polish, its a all-round compound. I do have something that suppose to cut more from an other brand, but it does not. You see here they have a full line of products too. German quality, they do not brag unnecessary of their products; they just makes it very good. You know what I mean. http://www.menzerna.com/en/products/solid-pastes/metal/?num=1

Its a button for German language top left on the site. It has maintained my tools and refurbished many old ones too. I do need something that grinds lie the one you showed me, I will give it a shot.

Thank you

[walter roth]

Hi Trox

Yes of course I know the company Sieck.

But they usually have machines from the industry, the weirklich good little Spaltmschinen you never will unfortunately.

Edit thin fine leather is not really with them.

And ...."Müller und Kurt" Machines are not really good, except for gross stuff

Spare parts for these machines and reprocessing are at .... "Wolfgang Twenty MKO Offenbach" ..... made, the page I posted in connection with the last German toolmaker for Saddler's tools.

All spare parts you get there.

The type of splitter 86 to the bracket on the matter, because I know and I have you ever really understood how you meinnst it.

This is a model from Europe, perhaps the first model or a Copie, who knows? ....?

But for the work they are handier.

A premium recycled splitting machine always costs the 1000-1500 Swiss francs. Because the old cost 500 and the repair position of the knife with hollow-cut and adjust and clean the whole a lot of work.

I need this mostly as two days, it makes the fine leg provide the lower transport roller, upper roller and the blade about 2 hours work.

For this, the machine will work much better than anything else.

Unfortunately, I just do not sell to, but have been safely treated at the 10.

I've seen your link to the paste, but it is not vergleiochbar with that I use.

If you are viewing categories, I can send you a sample patterns once.

you'll see the difference immediately.

greeting

Walter

Edited August 4, 2013 by walter roth

[Leather Guru]

Hello Walter & Tor

A few pics of the old tools I rarely if ever I use any more . While you guys have been collecting sattler's tools most of mine were for maroquinerie ( leatherwork )

[walter roth]

Leather Guru

But hey ...........

You're not from a bad family,,,,, ((((-:

So as a Knife, a Quarter-Moon I am looking for a long time.

The image 4 on the left JPG 36, from below the 5 th Knive I mean.

represents round-quarter moon.

Reifel and the bone jaws (Creasser with Bone nand Woodenhandle) who also like it very much, is also a model unknown to me.

On the left of Figure 5, or JPG 37, second from right, in the upper right corner I think.

If you are looking for something and want to share what.

I also have round-iron awls, round of quite outstanding quality of old! ....

Or do you need a set of old Blanchard pricking wheel, 8-20 blind or normal .....? ..... - 30 years ago bought at Blanchard .....!!

greeting

Walter.

Oh, .................and it's the first time that I see this model Splitter, and carries a brand of blanchard.

ps.

Here is the link to a manufacturer of saddlery bone.

In German Langwhich ......Sattler - Falzbein.

http://bruno-otto.de...ard_seite2.html

Edited August 4, 2013 by walter roth

[Leather Guru]

Hi Walter ,

I thought you would like the quarter moon knife I bought it 35 years ago from a shop in Bruxelles .I've been making my own knives for the past 20 years from high speed steel saw blades & they are the best but they are made to do bags & wallets .

Fredrich Herder (solingen) also still make some beautiful knives . The Don Carlos collection .

Thanks for the link from the bone tools , but I make my own tools in bone or animal horns . I maybe have 20 or so ! Actually the tool you liked with bone I made myself many years ago .

I'll send some more pics later today.

[walter roth]

Hi Leather Guru.

Ah, you've made yourself ..... ((-:

Very well.

I have here a link on the Horn as material.

http://de.hornvarefabrikken.dk/falzbein/

But I have not ordered anything yet there.

greeting

Walter

[Leather Guru]

Hello Walter,

some more tools. Those knives are made by me from saw blades.

Please send me your address.

See you soon,

Ralph.

[walter roth]

Wen i make such leather skiving work, I also use the Half Moon Knive.

But I use it as a pad to work a lithographic stone, because of this the knife grinds rather than doing it in the butt to work even at a very shallow angle works.

http://www.google.ch/search?q=lithographiestein&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.bGE,pv.xjs.s.en_US.seW1cfrvSKg.O&biw=1101&bih=626&wrapid=tlif137563858861410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=de&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hJT-UYygKY_g7Qack4GwDQ#imgdii=_

yes, I know the knife, but use them less.

Ds are you doing in any case very well, and with a nice hollow grind.

greeting

Walter

[Trox]

Hi Walter and Ralph (Leather Guru),

I came home late tonight and its no time to take pictures of tools tonight, I will try tomorrow. I knew Ralph had a Blanchard splitter, but it was not the model I was trying to explain to you Walter. Never mind about it, I will find a picture of it and post it here later. Walter, thanks for the advising about European splitters. I hope you do not mind if I consult you before buying one, if I find one for sale. The best ting would of course be a band knife machine, If I can find one I can afford I will buy it. Used splitters are generally hard to find in my parts of the world, and people are always looking to buy them. Please let me know if you know about anything for sale.

I will try the grinding compound you showed me, Thank you.

About the horn falzbein, looking good than Danish bone folder. I cant stand the smell of working with horn, I do not do it more than I have too. So I gladly pay for a nice one.

Thanks

Here I found a splitter who looks like the one I am talking about, but it did not have the top roller. Maybe it was taken off. This looks to be German, do you recognize it? Its old/sold now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-7-75-BENCH-LEATHER-SPLITTER-LIKE-OSBORNE-KREBS-/111084752391?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=GC5Z9D8xS1sLHCQ7DmB1AGc6Jbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Hello Ralph,

very nice tools collection.

I also admire that large quarter moon knife, beautiful handle as well. They are seldom for sale, I have seen some at French ebay but with simple handles and make. The small knife with a guide, who looks like a bag makers knife. (On the same picture; second from bottom left). Very nice tool, I am looking for one, what do call it?

Also the tool to the right of it, is it a small pattern knife?

The Ebay link above was close to the splitter type I was talking about with Walter.

The Blanchard version of the # 86 looks like an improvement of the Osborn, looks more sturdy in the frame and have a guide to avoid cutting off the straps (I made one myself on mine). You have many fine filet tools (creasing tools), what kind of heater are you using on them.

Thanks for posting your tools, very nice.

I will try to post some of mine tomorrow.

Good night

Tor