Any Tutorial For This Knot?

[LTC]

That was supposed to say "proportions". stupid auto correct.

[KnotHead]

Well at any rate I think I'm about secluded with this topic. So attached is a grid representation of that knot. It might not be exact because I can not get an accurate count of the parts or bights from the damn photos. Good luck...

11parts by 21bights - Ginfer

Now I go back to get some of my own braiding done.

B...

[LTC]

ok well i didn't mean to make you mad. sorry you're put out with this.

i appreciate the pic and your efforts in making it. you obviously understand these a lot better. i don't think i will understand those diagrams in all the rest of my living days. but i hold out hope that i will some day.

[megabit]

I think Bud Brewer had a tutorial of the ginfer on your old site Brian. His instructions were always the best.

LTC, I don't know if it is the same as the one in your fist pic or not. (I can't really see the pattern on the base knot all that well.) But the instructions Brian posted are the for the same knot as in his earlier post of rings of Saturn. What you use as a base will change the shape of a knot a great deal. Try using a Spanish Ring knot as a base for the Ginfer, that should give it more the shape of your first pic.

[LTC]

if i use a spanish ring knot as a base, won't the raised part i weave onto it be the same width as the Spanish ring knot?

i did see references to tutorials for this on khww but none of the links work anymore.

i did find it in grant's books, but those drawings are so bad i cannot follow them. going to try it again tomorrow though.

Edited March 25, 2014 by LTC

[megabit]

If you look at the knot you posted it is clearly tied on a foundation that pushes the middle out, which narrows the knot some because it goes down instead of wide. I also am not certain that one even is a Ginfer knot. It looks over one under one to me not over 3 under 1 over 1 under 3. The tutorial Brian posted gets you something very similar. You could use that tutorial to put the ring on other base knots using the same method.

[LTC]

no, that is wrong. it is not tied on a foundation knot that "pushes the middle out". if you look at the tutorial brian posted, it is based on a ginfer knot and the "ring" part that is around the outside is woven onto that over 1 under one part in around the middle of the base knot.

in any case i found the knot in grant's book but as i suspected the pictures suck so i cannot follow them. the way he did it is he tied the upper part of the base knot with basically the over 1 under 1 along the bottom, then tied on the bottom half of the knot onto the top half.

since all it looks like anyone wants to do on here now is argue and say they're right and get upset because someone asks a simple question i think i will stop posting now because it's not helping anything and just making people argumentative. i don't enjoy conversations like that and do not participate in them. see ya.

[Sovran81]

LTC Its too bad you feel that way. I have seen nothing but people trying to help you determine what it is and offering help in the way of other pics, instructions and files. Remember you can always invest the $36 for the book. The link was provided in one of my earlier posts.

[LTC]

i am a disabled Iraq war veteran and have very few funds available to buy books that's why i was hoping to find info here. doesn't matter i'll just keep trying to figure it out on my own.

[megabit]

Too bad Enrique doesn't still come on here, since he tied the knot in the original picture. To me the original picture sure doesn't look like a ginfer. Looks to be over 1 under 1. Brian's Saturn's Ring is very similar and is on a ginfer. LTC if you are on Facebook Enrique is over there in most of the rawhide groups. He should be able to tell you what the knot is since he tied it (the rest of us are basically guessing).

Good luck LTC and thank you for your service.

Mike

[megabit]

Now I looked closer at the first tutorial Brian posted I don't think that is a ginfer either, well not the same ginfer as the later instructions are for. The knot labled 21 trancos has 3 V going across. The ginfer only has one V.

Does anyone know if the 21 trancos is in one of Enrique's books?

[KnotHead]

No I don't think so bro.

[bowhunter83202]

That knot is in one of Enrique Capone's books

[LTC]

That knot is in one of Enrique Capone's books

as i said before a few posts ago in this same thread...

i am a disabled Iraq war veteran and have very few funds available to buy books that's why i was hoping to find info here. doesn't matter i'll just keep trying to figure it out on my own.

Edited April 8, 2014 by LTC

[KnotHead]

Okay. I'll come back for more punishment here. I'll offer up the below.

You should be able to wrap this around an appropriate sized mandrel.

Here are the instructions to follow.

from bottom pin 1 to top pin 7

from top pin 7 to bottom pin 14

from bottom pin 14 to top pin 20

from top pin 20 U1 to bottom pin 6

from bottom pin 6 U1 to top pin 12

from top pin 12 U1 to bottom pin 19

from bottom pin 19 U1 to top pin 4

from top pin 4 O1 U1 to bottom pin 11

from bottom pin 11 O1 U1 to top pin 17

from top pin 17 O1 U1 O1 to bottom pin 3

from bottom pin 3 O1 U1 O1 to top pin 9

from top pin 9 O1 U1 O1 to bottom pin 16

from bottom pin 16 O1 U1 O1 to top pin 1

from top pin 1 O1 U2 O1 to bottom pin 8

from bottom pin 8 O1 U2 O1 to top pin 14

from top pin 14 O1 U2 O1 to bottom pin 21

from bottom pin 21 O1 U2 O1 to top pin 6

from top pin 6 U1 O1 U2 O1 to bottom pin 13

from bottom pin 13 U1 O1 U2 O1 to top pin 19

from top pin 19 U1 O1 U3 O1 to bottom pin 5

from bottom pin 5 U1 O1 U3 O1 to top pin 11

from top pin 11 U1 O1 U3 O1 to bottom pin 18

from bottom pin 18 U1 O1 U3 O1 to top pin 3

from top pin 3 U1 O2 U3 O1 to bottom pin 10

from bottom pin 10 U1 O2 U3 O1 to top pin 16

from top pin 16 U1 O2 U3 O2 to bottom pin 2

from bottom pin 2 U1 O2 U3 O2 to top pin 8

from top pin 8 U1 O2 U3 O2 to bottom pin 15

from bottom pin 15 U1 O2 U3 O2 to top pin 21

from top pin 21 U1 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to bottom pin 7

from bottom pin 7 U1 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to top pin 13

from top pin 13 U1 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to bottom pin 20

from bottom pin 20 U1 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to top pin 5

from top pin 5 U2 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to bottom pin 12

from bottom pin 12 U2 O2 U1 O1 U2 O2 to top pin 18

from top pin 18 U2 O2 U1 O1 U3 O2 to bottom pin 4

from bottom pin 4 U2 O2 U1 O1 U3 O2 to top pin 10

from top pin 10 U2 O2 U1 O1 U3 O2 to bottom pin 17

from bottom pin 17 U2 O2 U1 O1 U3 O2 to top pin 2

from top pin 2 U2 O3 U1 O1 U3 O2 to bottom pin 9

from bottom pin 9 U2 O3 U1 O1 U3 O2 to top pin 15

from top pin 15 U2 O3 U1 O1 U3 O2 to bottom pin 1

Now when you complete this. You should be able to add the stitch to the center piece quite easily. Outside of this I can't do anymore.

Brian...

[Tex181]

You will find that the knot you have is made of two knots. The foundation knot is a gaucho knot ( Bruce Grant books) with a spanish ring knot inter-weaved on top. The knot on ether side are of the same knot only the size changes. El Rinco Del Sogero on You Tube is where I found this style of braiding. He calls is marine work. Mr. Grant calls these knots Turk Head Knots. This effect can be used on a Gaucho knot ( runs across the length of the line ) and on the Herringbone knot ( runs along the length of the line).

[Lillian ADju]

Maybe this can lead somewhere

http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/awlcover.html

And you can contact them over mail for questions
And when you find out how to do it post tutorial on this topic because
I don't have a clue about knots but this one I would like to know

Regards
Aleksandar

Edited December 11, 2014 by Lillian ADju

[25b]

Maybe this can lead somewhere

http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/awlcover.html

And you can contact them over mail for questions

And when you find out how to do it post tutorial on this topic because

I don't have a clue about knots but this one I would like to know

Regards

Aleksandar

I'm not sure they would even know how to tie the knot in the original post. The ones in the link you posted are pretty rudimentary.

[Rawhidelady]

Enrique O. Capone's book Leather Braiding has the information on this knot.

He refers to it as Saturn Bomba Version 2 on pages 120 and 121.

He has two books that are worth the cost to have in your collection.

www.leather-braiding.com