Members Dignitas1980 Posted January 17, 2015 Members Report Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Hi! I`m new and know nothing about sewing leather. But my question is: Which is the best between Adler 167-62s and Durkopp Adler 69-373? I want to sew collars, harness and other stuffs with 5-6 mm leather. For Adler 167-62s: It` a triphase motor clutch, with roller foot. It`s very old, i think its from 1985-1990.. The other one, Durkopp Adler 69-373, its a triple transport with walking foot, triphase motor clutch, made in West Germany, olso old. Both have the same price and i want to know which is the right choice for what i want to do. I know, i`ll need a servo motor, but still... I`m really sorry for "my english", but last time when i was writing english, it was 15 years ago. So, what do you think? About Adler`s, not my english. Hi! I`m new and know nothing about sewing leather. But my question is: Which is the best between Adler 167-62s and Durkopp Adler 69-373? I want to sew collars, harness and other stuffs with 5-6 mm leather. For Adler 167-62s: It` a triphase motor clutch, with roller foot. It`s very old, i think its from 1985-1990.. The other one, Durkopp Adler 69-373, its a triple transport with walking foot, triphase motor clutch, made in West Germany, olso old. Both have the same price and i want to know which is the right choice for what i want to do. I know, i`ll need a servo motor, but still... I`m really sorry for "my english", but last time when i was writing english, it was 15 years ago. So, what do you think? About Adler`s, not my english. Edited January 17, 2015 by Dignitas1980 Quote
Members Constabulary Posted January 18, 2015 Members Report Posted January 18, 2015 The 167 has a larger hook + bobbin and since you are planing to sew flat items mainly it´s a good choice. I´m not sure but is it possible that the 167-62s has a roller foot and no triple feed / compound feed? The 69 is a cylinder machine with compound feed and when you make your self a flat bed attachment the 69 is the more versatile machien I´d say. But I´d test sew both machines to see which one works best for you. If I had to choose Id take the 69 but it has the smaller hook + bobbin... 1985 - 1990 is relatively new - I have machine from 1932 in use Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Contributing Member TwinOaks Posted January 18, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted January 18, 2015 Unless it's been modified I think the Adler 69 tops out at 138 thread, which might be a bit small for the harness work. With either machine, you may want to look into changing out the motor and adding a reducer pulley (see this thread). For most harness work, the Adler 205 is a better choice - I know, not one of the machines you listed, but it's designed for the heavier threads. Quote Mike DeLoach Esse Quam Videri (Be rather than Seem) "Don't learn the tricks of the trade.....Learn the trade." "Teach what you know......Learn what you don't." LEATHER ARTISAN'S DIGITAL GUILD on Facebook.
Members Dignitas1980 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Members Report Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Thanks, guys! The 69's already have a flat bed attachment, but like the 167, they have that old clutch motor and this motor was converted in a monophase. Yes, that 167's got a roller foot, but this machine cannot be tested. The owner its a...dificult man. The 69's got a small pulley, the owner told me: dude, this thing is crazy, you`ve got to sew only straight line or ...you have to learn how to control it! I will test the 69's, see what its capable of. Thanks again, friends! Edited January 18, 2015 by Dignitas1980 Quote
Members Dignitas1980 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Members Report Posted January 19, 2015 Maybe you can tell me another types/models of Pfaff, Durkopp Adler, Necchi or other for want i want to sew... I`ve got some offers here, in my country and i want to know which will suit me. Thanks in advance! Quote
Members Constabulary Posted January 19, 2015 Members Report Posted January 19, 2015 The clutch motor seems to be very fast. It probably runs at 2800 rpm and that is difficult to slow down. You probably have to swallow a bitter pill and replace the clutch motor with a new servo motor. So when the guy with the 167 is a difficult man I´d leave him alone with his machine! But I would still test sew the 69 when possible to check if it meets your requirements. Twinoaks is right, the 69 is not a heavy duty machine and has its limits. You probably have to look for a heavier machine when you want to sew with thicker thread. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Dignitas1980 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Members Report Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) The clutch motor seems to be very fast. It probably runs at 2800 rpm and that is difficult to slow down. You probably have to swallow a bitter pill and replace the clutch motor with a new servo motor. So when the guy with the 167 is a difficult man I´d leave him alone with his machine! But I would still test sew the 69 when possible to check if it meets your requirements. Twinoaks is right, the 69 is not a heavy duty machine and has its limits. You probably have to look for a heavier machine when you want to sew with thicker thread. Yes, that motor is very fast for what i want to sew, very important: if the machine is not equiped with a servo motor, i`m a dead man, because i have never put my hand to sew something.. I have an offer for 2 Pfaff, 1 and 2 needle, both are post bed, i think they are triple transport, triphase, but the owner doesn`t know what type are these.. And again, both machines got the same old motor, but they are very cheap! One is Pfaff 192 58B, two needle, and the second one, its looks exactly like first.... Damn, its so difficult when you know nothing about these things! Edited January 19, 2015 by Dignitas1980 Quote
Members Constabulary Posted January 19, 2015 Members Report Posted January 19, 2015 These machines are pretty much the same class as the 2 above they just have post beds instead of flat bed or a cylinder arm. Take the thread you want to use and the material you want to use and try out the machines. Maybe you´ll find out that non of them is working for you - just try them. Thats the best way to find out if they are good or not. Sewing speed is one thing more important is if the machine can handle the thread and material you want to use. You can easily replace the clutch motor with a servo motor. I can recommend the Jack servos from College Sewing: https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/catalog/search.aspx?keywords=servo Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Dignitas1980 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Members Report Posted January 19, 2015 Pfaff 145 1c LM? Quote
Members Anvas Posted January 22, 2015 Members Report Posted January 22, 2015 Hi, For 5-6 mm leather just forget Adler 69... very reliable and solid machine, but not enough for leather that thick. Go for Adler 167 eyes closed, as long as it's in good condition without slack at the hook which costs about $400, or at the shaft... If you could find an Adler 169 which is the cylinder version of the flatbed 167 it would be a great choice. Don't be afraid of the high speed of the clutch motor. Soon you will learn to control it. Besides, for harness making a clutch motor running at 1200 rpm is ideal. It can run all day long. Just put some time practicing. Quote Andrew Machines in use : Adler 69, Adler 169, Adler 104 410 2 needle, Adler 205 MO , Protos 640 3needle, Fortuna V50 skiver, Atom swing arm press cutter
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