Adler167 Vs Durkopp 69, Help Me!

[Dignitas1980]

Hi,

For 5-6 mm leather just forget Adler 69... very reliable and solid machine, but not enough for leather that thick.

Go for Adler 167 eyes closed, as long as it's in good condition without slack at the hook which costs about $400, or at the shaft...

If you could find an Adler 169 which is the cylinder version of the flatbed 167 it would be a great choice.

Don't be afraid of the high speed of the clutch motor. Soon you will learn to control it. Besides, for harness making a clutch motor running at 1200 rpm is ideal. It can run all day long. Just put some time practicing.

Thank you for your replay! The problem is like this: that 167 was sold, but i have another one 167, the owner doesn`t know what subklass is, but tomorrow will send me some pictures. So, if the hook is broken or not workin, i`m screw, right? I`ve already bought one Pfaff 192 and another Pfaff 193 and i have to test them. Its hard to believe that these two german tanks can`t sew what i need: 5-6 mm dog collars. I can`t find manuals for them, maybe you can help me. Anyway, i`ve just talk with a jk servo motor dealer from my town, and he ask me 140 euro for Jk 560 750w. Now...i have to ask: why the type with needle positioner is so wanted? What`s the big difference? From what i know, the motor with needle positioner leaves the needle up, right? So..what`s the problem if the needle remain in material?

[Dignitas1980]

It`s okay to convert Adler 167-203S)2 needle) in a single needle sewing machine? What`s the worst case scenario?

[Constabulary]

A hook does not cost $400. You can get quality generic hooks for about $150 or less.

You can either use the left or right needle both have a permanently spinning hook (of course) but you are limited with the accessory feet. The single needle feet do not fit for a double needle setup. You can remove one of the hook saddles and have a spare hook.

But I don´t think this is the best idea - I would look for a single needle machine!

[Dignitas1980]

A hook does not cost $400. You can get quality generic hooks for about $150 or less.

You can either use the left or right needle both have a permanently spinning hook (of course) but you are limited with the accessory feet. The single needle feet do not fit for a double needle setup. You can remove one of the hook saddles and have a spare hook.

But I don´t think this is the best idea - I would look for a single needle machine!

I really apreciate your pacient.. I was annoing, i bet i was! Even now, i must ask: if i convert a double in a single needle, it will be a very big problem? By the way, today i was buying the Jk 650! :D

[Constabulary]

I don´t recall how the Adlers look from the underside but usually the hook saddle is attached with 2 (very tight) screws. I need a picture to tell.

You can also leave the hook installed, remove one of the needle and bobbin case so the hook is spinning but it is empty. Or pull the entire hook with hook shaft and gear. I cannot give you further instructions atm.

But I would only do that in case you are desperate and don´t find a single needle machine elsewhere. Better look for a single needle machine!!!!

[Dignitas1980]

I don´t recall how the Adlers look from the underside but usually the hook saddle is attached with 2 (very tight) screws. I need a picture to tell.

You can also leave the hook installed, remove one of the needle and bobbin case so the hook is spinning but it is empty. Or pull the entire hook with hook shaft and gear. I cannot give you further instructions atm.

But I would only do that in case you are desperate and don´t find a single needle machine elsewhere. Better look for a single needle machine!!!!

I have that Pfaff 193, but i want to buy a Adler 167-203S, and this is with two needles, this is the reason why i was asking about the "conversion".. I do have a single needle machine and that Jk-servomotor will do the work just fine. I think..

So,about this Adler167-203S and Singer 196K5, they can sew thick? Wich will do a good job?

[Anvas]

Look, it depends on what you want to do with each machine. Sometimes I go the other way around... I get inspired of what every object is capable of doing and I go accordingly. For example I would never use a flatbed machine. But I just restored an Adler 104-102. . It's a flatbed 2 needle version of the 105 series which is commonly duplicated by junk Chinese clones. As previously mentioned by our friend Constabulary, the 2 needle machines do have limitations in accessory feet. But you can always modify some things if you have a technical idea and you find a blacksmith. Most important these 104 & 105 series can adjust the stitching length on the fly ! Meaning, that when you are stitching in tight curves you just lower the pitch and your result is an excellent evenly same stitching length look! Plus, you can use same big heavy duty thread sizes both sides, that even a leather worker can hardly tell which is a hand stitch or a machine stitch! I have a sample of a leather piece sewn both by hand and machine side by side as a test and I can upload it for fun :-)

In your case I have an Adler 169 (the cylinder arm version of the 167) and I sew almost everything up to 10mm thick with great ease! I even sewn 6mm fiberglass composites + 2mm polyethylene + 3mm leather all together! 11 mm total !!!

And because I am a big Adler fan, these old German machines can last almost for ever. In general, the older the machine, the better the build and the metal quality. In our times we lack the raw material quality and processing..

So, I would buy the Adler. Even if it needs a costly repair, it will last another lifetime of hard use.

Find a specialized technician to help you with the machines you are interested in and God Speed !

[Dignitas1980]

I do understand, but the problem is that i`ve already buyed this Pfaff 193-4. It`s not the same thing like Adler 69? I will not sew same thickness? This Adler 69 its still for sale, but i don`t want to spend more money.. I have an offer for the Pfaff, so what do you recomend? Sell the Pfaff and buy the Adler? From what i`ve already understand, the difference between Adler 69 and 169, is the bobin, who in the case of 169 is a large bobin, right? God, is really hard with these things!