GPaudler Report post Posted August 5, 2017 A few weeks ago, the Adler planets aligned and I wound-up with the 120-2, that I already mentioned, and a pretty nice 30-7 on its original treadle stand that is remarkably tight, smooth and silent - the treadle, that is - I haven't gotten the rest of the machine going yet. Missing is the long flat leaf spring. I looked at a 30-1 at a shoe repair shop in Santa Barbara and took some measurements thinking that I'd make a new spring but the correct steel isn't available, as I had expected. I could experiment with other sizes and shapes but thought I'd check with this font of helpfulness first. Here is an image with part numbers from a manual I found online for Adler 30-10, -50 and -70; I don't know if it would be the same for my 30-7. I would also need the thumb-screwed sliding thing. Does anybody have any of these parts that I could buy? Thanks, Gary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Blade springs new are ~150€ + shipping in Germany if you dont find them. http://www.wdn.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A23636 EDIT: I have the complete sliding block and the foot pressure adjustment screw + thumb nut if that is missing too. Edited August 5, 2017 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted August 5, 2017 8 hours ago, GPaudler said: Missing is the long flat leaf spring. I looked at a 30-1 at a shoe repair shop in Santa Barbara and took some measurements thinking that I'd make a new spring but the correct steel isn't available, as I had expected. If you're willing to give a shot at making one, have you tried McMaster Carr ? They have spring steel in many sizes and thicknesses : https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-spring-steel-sheets/=18t37pq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPaudler Report post Posted August 5, 2017 Thanks Constabulary, I might take you up on the sliding block if I find a spring. I would love to not spend 150€. McMaster is the first place I looked and I too expected to find spring steel in something close to the right thickness, but no luck. Though I might try to approximate the right springiness with a rod instead of a leaf if I can't find the part. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted August 5, 2017 Two thinner pieces stacked together? (No idea if it would work). If you have a belt grinder then a slightly thicker one can be thinned down (common practice with firearm springs) although it might take a while with a bigger spring. Sometimes they reduce the sides of the spring, rather than the thickness, by making it an "hourglass" shape. Just trying to come up with a few possibilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted August 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, dikman said: Two thinner pieces stacked together? (No idea if it would work). If you have a belt grinder then a slightly thicker one can be thinned down (common practice with firearm springs) although it might take a while with a bigger spring. Sometimes they reduce the sides of the spring, rather than the thickness, by making it an "hourglass" shape. Just trying to come up with a few possibilities. HA! I was just about to post, and suggest this - Like leaf springs on a car ............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPaudler Report post Posted August 6, 2017 Thanks Dikman and TT, I was thinking multiple leaves too so I could add and subtract to get the proper rate. Also drill rod, which I have, could be tapered. I should have already thought of this - it just occurred to me - I'll see if the spring from my 29-4 works, if so, it will give me something to match with leaves or a rod or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted August 6, 2017 BTW - the Singer 29K leaf springs are the same Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPaudler Report post Posted August 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Constabulary said: BTW - the Singer 29K leaf springs are the same That's good to know. Is that also true of the 29-4? Did the 29-4 precede the 29K series? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted August 6, 2017 I´m pretty sure! I have not seen a 29 (w/o K) on my side of the pond but they should be the same. 29 were made in the US and 29K in Kilbowie, Scotland. If you find parts list of either machine compare the part numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted August 7, 2017 GPaudler, The early 29k's were made at the Kilbowie plant in Scotland when the 29 1thru 29-5 were made at the Elizabethport plant in New Jersey. In 1923, the 29-4 was dropped and all shoe patchers in America were shipped in from Kilbowie and were "K" models beginning with the new 29K51-56 series. All K models were made at that plant. I have Adler leaf springs like you are looking for. The 30-1, 5, 7 all use the same spring as the newer 30-10, 50, 70. A 29-4 spring is almost identical to the Adler since Adler copied the shoe patcher from Singer and re-designed some of the parts. when they came out with the 30 class. In fact, Adler made a 29 class shoepatcher before they came out with the 30 class. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPaudler Report post Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, shoepatcher said: GPaudler, The early 29k's were made at the Kilbowie plant in Scotland when the 29 1thru 29-5 were made at the Elizabethport plant in New Jersey. In 1923, the 29-4 was dropped and all shoe patchers in America were shipped in from Kilbowie and were "K" models beginning with the new 29K51-56 series. All K models were made at that plant. I have Adler leaf springs like you are looking for. The 30-1, 5, 7 all use the same spring as the newer 30-10, 50, 70. A 29-4 spring is almost identical to the Adler since Adler copied the shoe patcher from Singer and re-designed some of the parts. when they came out with the 30 class. In fact, Adler made a 29 class shoepatcher before they came out with the 30 class. glenn Fantastic information Glenn, thanks! Who would have imagined that a guy named Shoepatcher would know so much about these machines? As you said, the spring from my 29-4 is a direct fit for the 30-7; that should have been the first thing I tried. I'm not too concerned with museum-level originality so if you have either a 29 or a 30 spring that you don't mind parting with, I might be your customer. I could also use the sliding V-block thing but don't need the spring adjustment screw that turns into the casting on top. Thanks, Gary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted August 9, 2017 Gary, Let me check my stock at home and see what I have as to both. IF you are looking for the Adler parts, they will be more expensive than the 29-4 parts. The last couple of days have just been crazy at work. I am still working on my shop and had hoped to complete it before I retire in 4 weeks. No such luck. Everything is so disorganized right now. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPaudler Report post Posted August 9, 2017 Thanks Glenn, there's no hurry and the 29-4 version of the spring will be just fine. Congratulations on retirement, mine will have to coincide with my death. Gary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted November 5, 2017 I forgot all about this posting. It is now November. I have Singer springs and Adler springs. Contact me via the message board here if you are still looking for a spring and hook up. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
