Members builderofstuff Posted May 12, 2011 Members Report Posted May 12, 2011 I know the topic of making shoe lasts has come up on the forum here a number of times, I know a few of those post have been mine. hahaha But I wanted to pass along some information to the forum that might help those who are interested in making shoe lasts themselves. For those interested I would like to recommend Walrus Shoes website and the last making info they offer. http://www.walrusshoe.com/books_pages/lasts.htm I received by copy of the book and dvd today in the mail and I wanted to pass along my review I guess you could call it. My first impression when I visited the site was that the cost seemed a bit steep, however after having gotten the materials today and having gone over them I personally feel that it was money well spent. I've been looking for last making information for some time now and the combination of the book and dvd finally gave me the information I was looking for and laid it out in a format that was easy to understand right from the beginning. The book itself is not very thick, and upon taking it from the packaging I was a bit concerned that a "thin" manual was going to leave me disappointed. I'm glad to say that the very opposite was the case, the manual was very thorough, very well laid out, and not overly complicated. There is no fluff in the book, it's simply cover to cover information that is easy to understand. I went back and forth on whether or not to get the dvd when I ordered the book and I think it was worth the money I spent on it. Again, like the book, it's not a very long video, but like the book it's also not filled with any unnecessary fluff, just all how to actually make a last. After having the information long enough to read through the book and watch the video I feel confident that I could take the foot measurements and make a last that would work. The book covers how to design the last as well as make it, and the video goes over the how it's made part. You could get by with just the book, but the dvd I thought was really great because I could actually see what was being done. However you won't be able to get just the dvd, all of the information and calculations on how the shape of the last is determined is in the book. So I mainly wanted to pass along the information to the rest of the forum because I know that I myself spent a lot of time trying to find easy to understand information about how to make a last. I have no affiliation with Walrus Shoes, I simply wanted to pass along the information about my experience in hopes that it might help others on the forum who have an interest in making footwear, and would like to make their own lasts. I hope this information will be useful to others. Chris Quote Just a man, a shop, and a long list of unfinished projects..... My Website My Etsy Shop
KAYAK45 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Another great FREE source for lasts is at " www.thehcc.org" the bottom left GUILD LIBRARY, DOWNLOAD PDF of turn of the century boot making, including the Full Wellington A.K.A. the cowboy boot. Quote Once believed in GOD and the DOllAR...... Hello God!
Members builderofstuff Posted May 13, 2011 Author Members Report Posted May 13, 2011 And that pdf tells you how to calculate and design the last so that you can make them based off of the foot measurements? Chris Quote Just a man, a shop, and a long list of unfinished projects..... My Website My Etsy Shop
Members builderofstuff Posted May 13, 2011 Author Members Report Posted May 13, 2011 I downloaded the Golding 1 file from thehcc.org and it does indeed have some really good information in there. I think it would make excellent additional material to the Koleff book and dvd, however I still think the book and dvd present an easier to follow method. However that's just my 2 cents and I would never presume to speak for anyone else. Chris Quote Just a man, a shop, and a long list of unfinished projects..... My Website My Etsy Shop
Members BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted May 14, 2011 Members Report Posted May 14, 2011 Smooth-on.com has casting supplies that I think one could use to make an exact replica of a foot. Why calculate, when you can have an exact replica? Quote You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
Members builderofstuff Posted May 14, 2011 Author Members Report Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) I'm probably not the best person to try to explain why using a casting of a foot isn't the best way to go. I know there are some other members here with way more experience that I could hope to have. Have a look here for an explanation of why this isn't the best approach http://customcowboybootsandshoesforum.com/discus/messages/20/13263.html?1267538877 Chris Edited May 14, 2011 by builderofstuff Quote Just a man, a shop, and a long list of unfinished projects..... My Website My Etsy Shop
Members BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted May 14, 2011 Members Report Posted May 14, 2011 Smooth-on has casting resins that are solid when cured. From what I read in the forum you listed they used a soft silicone resin, which I wouldn't use either. Smooth-on also just acquired a prosthetics company, and is offering their resins now as well as their own. With Smooth-on type molding capabilities you could cast a foot out of any material capable of being poured- even cement. A cement shaped foot would not make a good shoe last, but it would make a lasting foot I have a short wide foot with a high instep, so I know that good fitting shoes are a must, as my feet don't fit most normal footwear. I usually have to go one size up to get the width I need, and I can forget most pull on boots due to my instep. Quote You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
KAYAK45 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 It would seam logical that if one manufactures a ca mold for that matter one ends with that, a may haps perfect replica of a foot. This somewhat reminds me of the rick question from college which i paraphrase: If the world produced and sold very high qualities and quantities of 1/4" drill bits. Say a few million. From this information how many people wanted 1/4" drill bits. NONE: They all wanted 1/4" holes. The purpose is not to make a perfect last of a foot, but rather a perfect covering needed for the foot! By its very making of the last "allowances" are built by the craftsman who measures the foot, and will/can result in a last several sizes larger than the foot in places, to allow for little things, like putting them on and removing them. An exact replica would therefor fail. Another point is of the last being used for leather, in our discussions, is the very making of the footwear distorts, by necessity, the product we are using. Wetting, stretching, sewing, molding, all change the leather. (OK skiveing hammering polishing oiling ETC) Upon completion of the "perfect" footwear, from the "perfect duplication of the foot", the leather will dry, shrink, maybe expand as used,change shape and the resultant, intended perfection is wasted. What I think, I would want from a last, is a tool to make a perfect boot. Not a perfect replication of the foot. Quote Once believed in GOD and the DOllAR...... Hello God!
Members bootsmt Posted May 31, 2011 Members Report Posted May 31, 2011 If just making a replica of the feet was what is required to make shoes and boots then why would there be last? It doesn't work. Take a shoe or boot making class and you will find out why. I am not trying to be smart ass about this but You will not understand untill you try to make some footwear. Frank English Frank English custom Boots Smooth-on.com has casting supplies that I think one could use to make an exact replica of a foot. Why calculate, when you can have an exact replica? Quote
Members BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted June 1, 2011 Members Report Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Thanks for your input Frank, I think I do understand some, as I have a diffiucult foot to fit. Short ,wide, and with a high arch. I always have to try shoes on before buying unlike some who can order off a rack without doing so. I cannot wear most pull on boots due to my instep, and usually end up buying 1/2-1 size larger to get the width needed. Make the replica, build up where needed for allowances, and make the footwear. Being a machinist I know about allowances for fitting parts, and that a perfect fit isn't always wanted. I also know that in some cases things are done in a certain way, just because that is how it has always been done, good or bad. New technologies, and materials have made some processes far simpler than how they used to be done. A last is still needed because you cannot hammer nails into someone's foot. It is just a form to configure the material to. I see that you are in Polson, and I have a friend who grew up there. Heard on the news coming home that there is some flooding in MT. Hope it isn't affecting you any. A side not on lasts. Inexpensive shoes came about as a side development of the firearms industry. Before stock making duplicators were adapted to make lasts, they were made by hand, and were relatively expensive. The stock duplicators allowed lasts to be mass produced which brought the cost of shoes down. Edited June 1, 2011 by BIGGUNDOCTOR Quote You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
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