That would be great and thanks for the additional tips Im gonna need all the help I can get. I also just noticed I am or I was a first time poster so greetings to all of you sorry for not introducing myself ealier. I have always wanted to get into leathercrafting going back to my days as a young boy on my uncles ranch out in Elsinore CA. he was a Leathercrafter/Silversmith and I always looked forward to my visits to the ranch.