Bruce, You picked up on the 2 things that cause me the most aggrivation, the horn and base of the cantle. Also, I can see where a minimal tooling design needs a little more than what I did. As for the conchos, if you've done any cutting you know when someone calls and says he has fresh cattle to work, you go. I took the pictures in case the saddle got scuffed up, then replaced them after getting to a friends and cutting some out of the same leather on his clicker. Thanks for the replies, Mike.