Sorry Johnggrg it was such a big deal that my wife in a hurry asked before reading all the way to the end,wish we all could never make a mistake in life like you. We are good people and certainly did NOT mean to unnecessarily inconvenience anybody and were still here,we did nNOT post and leave. TOM thank you for your reply to what I guess what seems to be a stupid question by a person(my wife) who picked up my laptop and asked before reading. I will tell her she's grounded and has lost her leatherworker.net posting privileges hahahaha!!