I didn't intend to sound like I doubted the vinegaroon, because I don't. I'm sure it works fine. $$hobby said he was using fiebings dyes and was having trouble with the rub off even after buffing the surface after drying. I just have the same trouble and haven't found a way to totally prevent it. BTW, if you get some rub off on your clothes, Spray-n-wash with resolve power works very well for getting it out.