SERVICE Manual for Adler 30-70 Patcher ?

[wintertree]

Hello Everyone...I have yet to get this new to us Adler patcher to to stitch..It simply will not pick up the bobbin thread...I have read many posts and spent considerable time trying to solve this..finding very limited info on trouble shooting this machine...We are retired saddle makers  and have enjoyed 30 + years with various stitchers .....Can anyone direct me to a SERVICE manual for the Adler 30 series patchers ?...Surely past machine techs had access to such literature...

Thankyou for any help...Regards...Wes

[Constabulary]

Are you sure you are using the right needle? The 30-7 is using a longer needle than most other Adler 30 or Singer 29K patchers.

The needle system for the Adler 30-7 / 30-70 is 332L. The L in this case means LONG.

I have a Adler 30 mechanics manual but file is too big to upload here so send me a PM with your email address

[wintertree]

Sorry forgot to double check the email address.(for some reason I often forget the numbers) (age...hmm)

 

dandwes66@gmail.com

[shoepatcher]

Your needle bar may not be set at the correct height. You can change the needle bar height on Adler's.  They have an eccentric to move the bar up and down.  It is in the service manual.  Look for the service manual

for a 30-70.  Same info applies to the 30-7.

glenn  

[wintertree]

Still looking for a SERVICE manual for Adler Patcher (30-70)...if anyone can help...just need some proper specs to get things sorted on our new to us machine..grey square-ish adler...one of the newer ones I suspect.....very limited wear and tear noted when I looked thru the unit..everything seems tight...but was sitting idle for years...(probably needed a tune up)..

would like to include it into our repair business...there are times when the long arm and swivel sewing head would be useful..

Thanks for any leads or links to a Manual...Wes

[Constabulary]

22 minutes ago, wintertree said:

Still looking for a SERVICE manual for Adler Patcher (30-70)...if anyone can help...just need some proper specs to get things sorted on our new to us machine..grey square-ish adler...one of the newer ones I suspect.....very limited wear and tear noted when I looked thru the unit..everything seems tight...but was sitting idle for years...(probably needed a tune up)..

would like to include it into our repair business...there are times when the long arm and swivel sewing head would be useful..

Thanks for any leads or links to a Manual...Wes

check your emails - it´s on the way.

[wintertree]

Thankyou Constabulary.....Pleased to say we got the patcher to start stitching this morning....still some tuning up to do....checking some of the other parts of the machine that need adjustment...I used two different colours of thread...(up and down) as sometimes it can be confusing when the upper thread gets tangled under your work pce...misses the odd stitch....but we are in the ball park...

Kinda spoiled when you are used to using an original Japanese Juki 441...both of ours worked flawlessly...never needing adjustment even changing from different weights of leather or fabric...

Thankyou again for the help....Wes

[AmyP]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:24 AM, Constabulary said:

check your emails - it´s on the way.

Good morning

I also am looking for a service manual for my Adler 30-70 shoe stitcher. I can not seem to get the bobbin wound correc. It seems that I may be missing one or more parts? Can someone please help??

[shoepatcher]

Send me pics of your bobbin winder please Amy.  Lets see if you are missing anything.   

glenn

[AmyP]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:24 AM, Constabulary said:

check your emails - it´s on the way.

 

On 3/5/2025 at 5:05 PM, shoepatcher said:

Send me pics of your bobbin winder please Amy.  Lets see if you are missing anything.   

glenn

Glenn, here is a picture of my bobbin winder. I think it is stored on the back so it doesn't get in the way. I did find where it goes, directly under the hand crank. I don't think I'm missing anything. But idk for sure.-Amy

[AmyP]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:24 AM, Constabulary said:

check your emails - it´s on the way.

Constabulary, I did not find an e-mail from you.

pond.amy17  (at)  gmail (.) com

Is this where you sent it?

[AlZilla]

@AmyP I think maybe you're conflating a very old message from Constabulary to a different user.

But, let's tag him in and see if he can help you out - @Constabulary, are you able to help Amy Pond?

[shoepatcher]

Have Constabulary send you copy of the manual.  Bobbin winder looks complete.

glenn

[shoepatcher]

On 3/12/2025 at 3:12 PM, AmyP said:

 

Glenn, here is a picture of my bobbin winder. I think it is stored on the back so it doesn't get in the way. I did find where it goes, directly under the hand crank. I don't think I'm missing anything. But idk for sure.-Amy

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You get a copy of the service manual from Constabulary?

glenn

[AmyP]

No, I was unable to.

[AlZilla]

1 hour ago, AmyP said:

No, I was unable to.

@AmyP, there's some kind of  manual here, if it helps: 

https://manualmachine.com/adler/3010/8324853-user-manual/

[Tigweldor]

@ wintertree - although the thread is a little older.

 

As constab said - the Adler 30-7(0) uses the long 332 LG needle (48,5mm long)

Although he gave you the wrong specs.

A 332L needle is the short 332 needle for leather (L) as used in the 30-1 and 30-15

The needle you need for leather for your 30-7(0) is called 332 LL LG - very important - the LG stands for Lang (long) the LL for Leder Links (leather left sided slot)

For fabric the needle is called 332 LG (without the LL)

Make sure when you buy it in a shop to take along a vernier caliper and make sure that the length is 48,5mm

Then install the needle in the needle bar, open the cover plate and watch how the hook interacts with the scarf of the needle/thread when you turn the hand wheel.

If you have the right length needle and the hook and scarf do not interact as needed - you must take the machine of it´s table/stand and from the underside you will see a coupling at the 90 degree bend of the drive shaft.  Inside that coupling is an excentric bushing. You need a 16mm box end wrench and a screw driver to loosen the bushing and then turn it to the point where the hook will meet the middle of the needle scarf when the needle is going up while cranking the hand wheel. This sometimes takes more than one try(and a coffee and smoke of your choice to keep calm).                      Since the 30 series Adler do not make top speed, it is okay to have the hook meet the scarf in the middle - on very high speed machines you would want the hook slightly above middle - that is what I was told, although I have never sewn on a high speed "thread runner".

Also there is a second screw above the one that mounts the needle to the bar - the needle positioning screw.

With this screw you can position the needle scarf closer to or farther away from the hook - although side travel here is very limited - but sometimes a "smidge" is all it takes.

 

Also the 30-7(0) is very "finnecky" where it comes to the adjustment of  foot pressure AND the little take back spring for the top thread.

If those two adjustments are not in perfect harmony - the stitches do not look good.

I own a 30-7 and sometimes it is a real PITA to get them both just right, especially if you work on different thickness leather in one project.

My Singer 29-33 is more forgiving in that respect - it does not require as much adjustment to produce a proper stitch.

The one advantage of the 30-7(0) though is the large bobbin - which can hold about twice the amount of thread as the Singer 29-33 bobbin with 20mm diameter.

Although this is comparing apples to oranges - the Singer 29-70/71/72/73 series have the larger bobbin as well.

 

Hope that helps you out

Greetings 

Hans

 

Edited March 22 by Tigweldor