holsters

[OzarkMountainGunleather]

These are a few prototypes

I Made up for Wislon Combat

Thought you all might enjoy

Thanks for Looking

Luke

[Jordan]

Very nice work, looks sturdy and professional, you should have a ready market for those and more like them. Machine stitching?

[K-Man]

Always enjoy seeing stingray on a holster - gives it some extra bling.

Edited November 24, 2007 by K-Man

[TKanaley]

Interesting. Did you forget to add the second snap?

http://www.miltsparks.com/axiom.htm

[OzarkMountainGunleather]

yes they are machine stiched

Tony this is for you

I admit I got the idea from the axiom

but i use a single hard action snap because that is all that it requires

and i added the shirt guard which your axiom does not have and

I also redesined the entire holster to make it conform more to the body like our low profile

Got nothin against you bud I admire your work and think you a great holster make

to be honest with you I made my first holster less than a year ago for Wilson but I have been In leather work all my Life

this holster thing is kinda new to me

Oh yeah I do have some holsters coming out in american handguner i think your gonna like keep your I open

Im not in competition with yall

You have already formed your nitch in the business

Im Just trying to form mine

[TKanaley]

Tony this is for you

I admit I got the idea from the axiom

but i use a single hard action snap because that is all that it requires

Course you are aware that over time the single snap, especially one that is set down as low on the strap as the snap is on your version, will eventually allow the strap to rotate outwards, away from the gun thus allowing the gun to drift outwards away from the body? I guess one wouldn't really know that just by copying something, but through months of actually wear testing it before bringing it to market.

I also redesined the entire holster to make it conform more to the body like our low profile

The holster body didn't need to be redesigned, because if you actually spent the money to purchase one instead of just copying the pictures off our site, you would know that the Axiom is already pre-contoured to the shape of the human torso. No improvement needed there, nor can you call your modification an improvement.

Oh yeah I do have some holsters coming out in american handguner i think your gonna like keep your I open

Im not in competition with yall

You have already formed your nitch in the business

Im Just trying to form mine

I'm not worried about the competition. Being 6 months behind and backlogged as we have been for the last 25 years, we have way more work than we can ever handle. There's there's plenty of work to go around and I've always encouraged newcomers to get into the field and maybe show us old timers how to do a thing or two. However, I do get a little tired of doing all the brainstorming, pattern developement, R&D and paid promotion by way of advertising only to supply ideas to those who haven't been able to come up with anything original of their own. If you can't see why someone might be a little perturbed about that, maybe you will someday when you become successful.

I do wish you luck.

T

[OzarkMountainGunleather]

Tony,

I did do my own r and d and wore these around for months

the reason I used one snap instead of two is that I found

that on snap makes it easier to use I put two atach points on the back side of the holster

instead of attaching with the snap My straps are attached by 2 t nuts on the back side which prevents the slide of the straps out ward

I also contoured the lip of the holster to prevent this from hapening as well

I didn't buy a holster from you because first of all I was not trying to steal your design in any way.

and second of all I would have had to wait 6 months to get one.

you had a good idea a holster that you can attach detach easily without removing your belt there were many styles on the market

Most are Like Galcos (junk I think) yours was the most streamlined outthere

Im not saying either holster is the better holster

Im simply saying that this holster meets our needs better that yours

Im not trying to make an enemy Tony

I just wanted to show off my work here a little

Wilson Combat gets all recognition for any and all of my work

and I just wanted to show my fellow leather workers what I had produced

I told you in the email that I sent you that I have a lot of respect for you

your ideas have helped Milts company continue his legacy

[TKanaley]

I know Bill Wilson. I've met him on a couple of occasions and have talked to him on the phone more than a few times. Is he aware where you got this idea from? If not, he will as I have just fired him off an email and directed him to this thread. There once was a time when Bill wouldn't have approved of ripping off a competitor, as I'm sure it has happened more than once to him. I dunno, maybe things have changed.

My comments on your loop configuration stands. But, what do I care if Wilson has to swap out stretched loops several months down the road. The thing is, if you're going to copy something, you at least ought to try and improve on it, instead of just going for the "look", which in my opinion, you and Wilson are just trying to capitalize on, since by virtue of my hard work I have already proven the "original" design to be sound.

Oh and by the way, if by your own admission you have never worn our version of your new holster, how would you know that having two snaps like what we utilize on ours is more difficult than one? Changing something for the worse just so you can call it your own, doesn't make much sense unless making the quick buck is all that matters. A one snap attachment is the cheap way to manufacture that particular design, as it is much less labor intensive than adding the second snap.

Our Axiom has two attachment points on the back as well. However, unlike yours, the top attachment which gets all the stress from the belt is screwed through both sides of the holster which means it will never rip out.

You keep throwing out stuff to make yours sound like its unique, but for the better?

TK

[Ross]

I know Bill Wilson. I've met him on a couple of occasions and have talked to him on the phone more than a few times. Is he aware where you got this idea from? If not, he will as I have just fired him off an email and directed him to this thread. There once was a time when Bill wouldn't have approved of ripping off a competitor, as I'm sure it has happened more than once to him. I dunno, maybe things have changed.

My comments on your loop configuration stands. But, what do I care if Wilson has to swap out stretched loops several months down the road. The thing is, if you're going to copy something, you at least ought to try and improve on it, instead of just going for the "look", which in my opinion, you and Wilson are just trying to capitalize on, since by virtue of my hard work I have already proven the "original" design to be sound.

Oh and by the way, if by your own admission you have never worn our version of your new holster, how would you know that having two snaps like what we utilize on ours is more difficult than one? Changing something for the worse just so you can call it your own, doesn't make much sense unless making the quick buck is all that matters. A one snap attachment is the cheap way to manufacture that particular design, as it is much less labor intensive than adding the second snap.

Our Axiom has two attachment points on the back as well. However, unlike yours, the top attachment which gets all the stress from the belt is screwed through both sides of the holster which means it will never rip out.

You keep throwing out stuff to make yours sound like its unique, but for the better?

TK

i understand where you're coming from... side note: if i create a molded holster (which i have considered) it will of necessity look an awful lot like other holsters. i won't look at anyone else's holster before i do make one though. i carried for years as a cop and know what i want from one. i would simply create one that did what i wanted. if it wound up looking like yours i would hope you took it as a compliment, cause i sure wouldn't be trying to copy you.

[Jordan]

wow, ???? how do you make a holster that does'nt look like one. There seems to be only so many ways to put them together and so many hardware configurations before they all have similarites that can't be denied. As was said earlier it is a large market and room for many makers, as long as the item is top quality, well designed and the customer is happy, what does it matter that someone was impressed enough with someone's work, to model their product after it? as long as they don't misrepresent it in the marketplace or violate any patent or trademark laws I don't see the problem. Maybe I am just off the mark with this but I would be flattered that someone copied something I made.