Lining Sheath: Rough or Slick Side In?

[Gosut]

21 hours ago, Littlef said:

I have the same concerns about trying to carry a 10" blade inside your pants.  That sounds uncomfortable, and very limiting in movement.  I'd recommend putting the knife in your pants, lined up how you are intending on carrying it, and just walk around for a couple minutes.  Try sitting in a chair, and try getting in and out of a car.  I'm sure you could do it, but I don't think it'll be pleasant or comfortable.

I did, first simply sticking inside my waist band. One period way of carrying a bowie was IWB with the frog stud resting on top. Clothing styles were different then and likely offered more security to the sheath. Came to the conclusion that this form of carry wasn't that secure. Main problem with my test was the blade being unsecured other than from waistband pressure. The ability to pivot makes it not as stiff and unwieldy. Same principle as on those big handheld radios we used to have that fit in a pivot attached to your belt. Pivoting let it move with the body. Other than that, it wasn't uncomfortable because it could pivot.

The problem is a clip isn't going to pivot much if at all. That's going to make it stiffer. Unfortunately, haven't come up with anything better. The modern pivot clips are for outside the waistband or belt and more bulky. Have thought about a sort of dangle method to both secure it and allow it to pivot, but don't know. All that is where the original frog stud idea came in where I could experiment without making a series of new sheaths, but now think that scheme may be unworkable. Not the frog part, but for securing inside the belt. Only idea I could come up with was to somehow modify a clip into a frog that attached to the waistband with the frog stud passing though it. The idea would be to let it pivot. but still keep it secure. But the key word here is "somehow modify.." Never had a clear idea on how.

21 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

if your going to take the time and do two layers then glue rough to rough, make it pretty, make it a tight fit and you wont have problems. Realistically you will lose the knife because of the clip before it will ever fall out of the sheath un noticed. As other said I would rethink the iwb unless you are really skinny and real tall. 

I haven't been skinny in years, but I am over 6' / 1.8m tall.

[chuck123wapati]

3 hours ago, Gosut said:

I did, first simply sticking inside my waist band. One period way of carrying a bowie was IWB with the frog stud resting on top. Clothing styles were different then and likely offered more security to the sheath. Came to the conclusion that this form of carry wasn't that secure. Main problem with my test was the blade being unsecured other than from waistband pressure. The ability to pivot makes it not as stiff and unwieldy. Same principle as on those big handheld radios we used to have that fit in a pivot attached to your belt. Pivoting let it move with the body. Other than that, it wasn't uncomfortable because it could pivot.

The problem is a clip isn't going to pivot much if at all. That's going to make it stiffer. Unfortunately, haven't come up with anything better. The modern pivot clips are for outside the waistband or belt and more bulky. Have thought about a sort of dangle method to both secure it and allow it to pivot, but don't know. All that is where the original frog stud idea came in where I could experiment without making a series of new sheaths, but now think that scheme may be unworkable. Not the frog part, but for securing inside the belt. Only idea I could come up with was to somehow modify a clip into a frog that attached to the waistband with the frog stud passing though it. The idea would be to let it pivot. but still keep it secure. But the key word here is "somehow modify.." Never had a clear idea on how.

I haven't been skinny in years, but I am over 6' / 1.8m tall.

here is a period pattern for an iwb sheath clothing styles were much different the pants had no belt loops and if so the person wore a belt for the pants and a gun/ equipment belt higher up. this pattern has one belt loop to keep it secure inside the belt.

You may want to mock one up out of some stiff cardboard to see if it will pivot like you want. 

[Gosut]

22 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

here is a period pattern for an iwb sheath clothing styles were much different the pants had no belt loops and if so the person wore a belt for the pants and a gun/ equipment belt higher up. this pattern has one belt loop to keep it secure inside the belt.

You may want to mock one up out of some stiff cardboard to see if it will pivot like you want. 

Second attempt at a reply. If there's a double post, that's why.

Thanks. Studying period carry is always fun. I was looking at some period carry for inspiration. I doubt any period sheath had a thumb break. I think the frog stud on waistband was used where and when cummerbunds were common.

I had thought of making a Civil War period sheath after finding a Pakistani blade made like or close to a Milledgeville (Georgia) pattern. That sheath would have been the simplest as it had no strap retention and a leather piece sewn onto the back for a belt to pass through. Apparently this piece would tear off, as there are some Civil War sheaths that look owner modified by cutting two slits in the leather for a belt to pass through. Granted that's a common and cheap way to make a belt mount, but the instances I saw looked like they might have been done in the field.  Unfortunately, the blade I was looking at seemed to be flared toward the point and what passed for a rat tang left something to be desired. If I did that one it, it would be for display only.