Chinese netizens share their sewing machine

[PiZhihong]

Hello everyone, I am a leather enthusiast from China. My English is not good and I need to communicate through translation software. There is a possibility of translation errors. I hope to share sewing machine information from different countries with everyone!

Edited yesterday at 08:15 PM by PiZhihong

[Tigweldor]

Very good - I like your set up.

Looks very professional.

What do you produce - or better : want to produce -- as all machines look to be in extremely new condition.

And here for the million dollar question : was your Juki manufactured in China or in Japan ?

I ask this because it is rumored that even Jap companies farm out production to China these days.

 

Greetings 

Hans

Edited yesterday at 08:11 PM by Tigweldor

[PiZhihong]

7 minutes ago, Tigweldor said:

Very good - I like your set up.

Looks very professional.

What do you produce - or better : want to produce -- as all machines look to be in extremely new condition.

And here for the million dollar question : was your Juki manufactured in China or in Japan ?

I ask this because it is rumored that even Jap companies farm out production to China these days.

 

Greetings 

Hans

I mainly work in the design and pattern making of women's bags. I have my own handmade leather bag brand, and my job involves designing and pattern making as well as small-scale production

[Tigweldor]

Well, at least you are using Amann Serafil Tex 10 - a good German thread and not some no-name-brand for cheap coin.

Still haven´t answered the million dollar question, though.

 

Greetings

Hans

[kgg]

9 minutes ago, Tigweldor said:

Still haven´t answered the million dollar question, though.

The Juki DSC-246 is made in Japan. Also if you zoom in the nameplate indicates it was made in Japan.

kgg

[Tigweldor]

For some strange reason - there is Juki-China as well  ----  https://www.jukichina.com

 

Well, then let us look at the labels from different brands : Cowboy, Techsew, Tyson, all the Sailrite models - and see if we can find a "made in China" decal on them.

 

Here in Germany they have veered off to a different trick - merchandise manufactured in China is declared as "designed in Germany" - with no country of manufacture declared properly on the label. 

 

That actually means : the consumer is not getting f....d about country of manufacture - he is just getting severely mislead on purpose.

 

I am not saying this to profile my image - it is  just a plain fact of modern manufacturing "ethics".

[kgg]

23 minutes ago, Tigweldor said:

For some strange reason - there is Juki-China as well  ----  https://www.jukichina.com

Probably because China is such a large market. I know they make the Juki DU-1181n walking foot machine in China. I have one and it is NOT of the same quality as my Juki DNU-1541S made in Japan.

kgg

Edited yesterday at 09:03 PM by kgg

[Tigweldor]

That has a lot to do with paid wages.

Japs are paid good - the workers are absolutely connected to their company - they have pride in their manufactured products.

In China they pay very poor wages - if you don´t like it - you will be replaced by some other person out of the 1,5 billion person work force in the wink of an eye.

And we all know how poor paid workers look upon quality of their craftsmanship.

 

Greetings

Hans 

[AlZilla]

Greetings and welcome aboard, @PiZhihong. Looks like you navigated some translation issues and got your post sorted out.  Thanks for the effort.

The pictures look like a sewing machine store? I see a Cowboy machine, very popular in the US.

[PiZhihong]

10 minutes ago, AlZilla said:

Greetings and welcome aboard, @PiZhihong. Looks like you navigated some translation issues and got your post sorted out.  Thanks for the effort.

The pictures look like a sewing machine store? I see a Cowboy machine, very popular in the US.

Thank you for your reply. This is my studio, not a sewing machine shop. Sewing machine shops in China have very dense displays

[PiZhihong]

1 hour ago, Tigweldor said:

Very good - I like your set up.

Looks very professional.

What do you produce - or better : want to produce -- as all machines look to be in extremely new condition.

And here for the million dollar question : was your Juki manufactured in China or in Japan ?

I ask this because it is rumored that even Jap companies farm out production to China these days.

 

Greetings 

Hans

My juki DSC-246 is produced in Japan and has a brand new price of approximately $2000 in China. As far as I know, due to the large scale of clothing production in China, Juki has placed many machine production lines related to clothing in China!

[Tigweldor]

That sure answered the million dollar question - and is about the same price we pay here in Europe for same machine - with all sorts of tariffs and shipping cost incorporated.

 

Greetings

Hans

[PiZhihong]

37 minutes ago, kgg said:

Probably because China is such a large market. I know they make the Juki DU-1181n walking foot machine in China. I have one and it is NOT of the same quality as my Juki DNU-1541S made in Japan.

kgg

I haven't compared the quality differences between Juki made in Japan and China, but for products like Dsc-246; Compared to machines like LS-1341, Japanese made ones are priced at around $2000 in China, while Chinese imitation versions are priced at around $400-700. When they are new, the stitching effect is similar, but Japanese made machines can still maintain good results after high load work. However, Chinese made machines have some wear and tear

[AlZilla]

25 minutes ago, PiZhihong said:

Thank you for your reply. This is my studio, not a sewing machine shop. Sewing machine shops in China have very dense displays

Wow. On second look, I see that those are working machines, with the thread, oil and tools.  Very nice setup!

[dikman]

Tigweldor, that is a common practice these days and can certainly mislead people which is no doubt the intention. As soon as a I see a label saying "designed in Australia" I figure the item is made somewhere else (if it was made here there would be no need for such a label!).

And to the OP, welcome aboard, I don't know what you're using for translation but it's excellent.

[Tigweldor]

When they are new, the stitching effect is similar, but Japanese made machines can still maintain good results after high load work. However, Chinese made machines have some wear and tear

 

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That is very true.

And depends directly upon the quality/hardening process of built-in metals used.

But to say the honest to god truth - the Asians have caught up to the once superior " Made in Japan " or "Made in Germany" quality standards.

And to latter is to say : after WWII this was a British invention to blemish German steel cuttlery from Solingen in order to save home production from Sheffield.

Again : "Made in Germany" was not a German invention - it was made by other countries to belittle/berate German quality of workmanship after WWII - which totally did backfire in the end.

Nowadays it stands for products with high end tolerance specs - thanks to the Limeys.

 

Now with every factory that foreigners build in China - the Chinese get Know-How for very cheap.

They then copy/transplant this Know-How into their own production factories - no own research necessary - saves a lot of coin - hence the cheap price available.

Pretty simple logic - beats industrial espionage by a mile - you just have to be a little patient till they come of their own free will.

 

Greetings

Hans - who has no grudge in any form against craftsmen like Pizhihong - regardless of what machinery he and his team is using. 

Though I am glad he is using Amann thread - at least it says on the boxes : Made in Germany

Edited 22 hours ago by Tigweldor

[RockyAussie]

14 hours ago, PiZhihong said:

I mainly work in the design and pattern making of women's bags. I have my own handmade leather bag brand, and my job involves designing and pattern making as well as small-scale production

We have similar machines and similar work production so a big welcome to the Leatherworkers forum from me @PiZhihong. I look forward to seeing some of your work. I have the Cowboy 4500 and the Cowboy 246 as well and a 8365 tall post as well as a few others.