Typical gc2605 conversion to non-binding machine

[TakashiOkada]

hello, it's me again. I was about to buy the typical 341 you guys recommended to me for 1900$ but then I found an interesting triple feed binding machine in the used market for 400$. it's a typical gc2605. this is the picture of the actual machine for sale, it even has the half table and all!

there's a similar model, it's the typical gc2603, which has normal throat plate more suitable for general leather sewing. apparently it's the same machine but with different plates, picture below. the end of both arms seem a bit different.

these are the plates for each model. screw holes don't seem to match

more pics from the internet for reference

according to this picture, both 2603 and 2605 are essentially the same machine?

this is a video of a guy with a gc2605 speaking russian (i think) and he's saying something while holding the plate I want to put in the gc2605. can anyone who speaks russian tell me what he's saying? 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by TakashiOkada

[friquant]

54 minutes ago, TakashiOkada said:

this is a video of a guy with a gc2605 speaking russian (i think) and he's saying something while holding the plate I want to put in the gc2605.

Three interesting points from that video:

1. The feed dog on the binding machine that he bought has no vertical movement. He wanted to convert it to being a standard machine. It appears that he bought a new feed dog and throat plate for it. In general it works as a standard machine, but the feed dog only goes forward and back. (No vertical movement) 
2. He made his own cover plate to replace the binding cover plate that it came with. (The long metal plate that's about 250mm x 30mm that he mentions about 6:55 into the video)
3. He abosolutely loves his swing-down edge guide 😀

[AlZilla]

1 hour ago, TakashiOkada said:

can anyone who speaks russian tell me what he's saying? 

Turn Closed Captions on, go to settings and tell it to "Auto Translate" to whatever language you wish. 

[TakashiOkada]

20 minutes ago, friquant said:

Three interesting points from that video:

1. The feed dog on the binding machine that he bought has no vertical movement. He wanted to convert it to being a standard machine. It appears that he bought a new feed dog and throat plate for it. In general it works as a standard machine, but the feed dog only goes forward and back. (No vertical movement) 
2. He made his own cover plate to replace the binding cover plate that it came with. (The long metal plate that's about 250mm x 30mm that he mentions about 6:55 into the video)
3. He abosolutely loves his swing-down edge guide 😀

1 - oh so the feed dog and throat plate DO work for that machine, interesting. I think he said they are parts for a pfaff machine? 

2 - that's smart. I could design and make a cover plate with acrylic and a laser cutter.

3 - agree TBH

15 minutes ago, AlZilla said:

Turn Closed Captions on, go to settings and tell it to "Auto Translate" to whatever language you wish. 

today I learned something new, thanks. the translation was a bit rough but it was better than nothing

[TakashiOkada]

okay I'm watching a video from the same guy and the 2603's feed dog has a circular motion, 2605's feed dog only goes forward and backwards. so there's a huge difference after all. I think it's some sort of clone of the 246? I'm strongly considering asking my local dealer to get me this 2603 instead of the 341. I bet it's cheaper, too. 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by TakashiOkada

[friquant]

Jianglong makes a 246 also. (I have the Jianglong 341) You might see what it would cost:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/246-Maquina-De-Coser-Cuero-Cylinder_60469774160.html

[kgg]

10 hours ago, TakashiOkada said:

then I found an interesting triple feed binding machine in the used market for 400$. it's a typical gc2605.

If to changed what appears to be a clutch motor on the used machine out for a servo motor which should cost about $200 the total cost would be about $600. That is of course assuming the used machine is in good working order and mechanically fit. If the machine does the stuff you would like to do then you would have saved $1300 which would go a long ways to other things like needles, thread, attachment, leather, etc. 

kgg

[nejcek74]

If he is using Pfaff parts, maybe this is a copy of Pfaff 335? Which was often sold as a binding machine.

Regarding 2-way (only horizontal) vs 4-way (horizontal and  vertical) feed dog movement there was already written a lot about it on this forum. Conversion is possible but it's a mayor work because you need to connect the upper shaft with the lower one that moves the feed dog. You also need parts which are often more expensive than an used machine. My Pfaff 1245 has only 2-way feed dog and it works for me perfectly fine, but I am using it mostly for heavy fabric or combination of heavy fabric and leather. I guess certain, very fine surfaces could be scratched by a feed dog dragging back.