JohnBarton Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 I wonder if there is any way to track and see if this is the same person or not. Three people here with the same problem sounds suspicious to me. Trying to sell fake, very identifiable hand made saddles on Ebay. Can't be a whole lot of people stupid enough to do that, is there? And if it is the same guy, then they could ban him, couldn't they? It's really hard on Ebay if the seller is clever. I had to deal with people selling copies of my product and ripping off my pictures and descriptions to do it. Ebay used to make it difficult to get these auctions taken down and now I guess it's somewhat easier. But the point of it is that these folks don't think in terms of how foolish it is to list something unique they just see the type of auctions which bring in mucho dinero and copy them hoping to get a sucker to send money. And surprisingly enough without diligence on the part of the community it often works. Going after the people perpetrating these atttempted frauds is fruitless because they haven't committed enough of a crime by virtue of the listing to get law enforcement interested and secondly the accounts are very often hidden behind layers of email addresses making it very difficult to identify them. For every advance in technology there is an equal amount of decrease in civility. Ebay is a great worldwide marketplace and a great opportunity for scammers. Hoepfully Ebay is figuring out ways to make it really hard for the scammers now. Support Quality. We are all humans. Buy the best no matter where it's made. That way everyone lives in harmony. Nature knows no flags.
Members Go2Tex Posted February 20, 2009 Author Members Report Posted February 20, 2009 Going after the people perpetrating these atttempted frauds is fruitless because they haven't committed enough of a crime by virtue of the listing to get law enforcement interested and secondly the accounts are very often hidden behind layers of email addresses making it very difficult to identify them Agreed, however, it's a lead to be added to a file on some computer that hopefully will help some detective solve a case someday. That's how it works, or should work. The same technology that provides the opportunity for crime, also provides the opportunity to fight that crime. I guess there is a way to keep your pics from being grabbed off the Internet. And, I guess a person could overlay their name on the pic, so that it couldn't be removed or clipped out. Anybody here know how to do that? Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
gtwister09 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I guess there is a way to keep your pics from being grabbed off the Internet. And, I guess a person could overlay their name on the pic, so that it couldn't be removed or clipped out. Anybody here know how to do that? Brent, It is called watermarking and most photo editing programs have that capability. Unfortunately if someone wants to use your work, they can remove that as well. Like you said the same technology can be used. Regards, Ben Edited February 20, 2009 by gtwister09
BobHall Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 This stuff happens with high end cues all the time and the cue collecting community is pretty quick at spotting them now. Several years ago though people were getting scammed right and left.I haven't seen Ebay's paypal policy concerning holding the funds against positive feedback but if that's the case then lvoe it or hate it that sure does seem like it would cut out seller fraud completely. Now how does the honest seller have any protection? Holding funds against feedback may sound good on the surface, but unless things have changed recently there's no requirement that a buyer leave feedback. I'm not sure I want PayPal holding my money indefinitely. I've sold a lot of items there and not all buyers, regardless of how happy they are with auction, leave feedback. Just a thought... Bob
MADMAX22 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 The cops arent gonna do anything 99%of the time. Hate to say it but its true unless you live in some really small town and you have a friendship with them and then maybe just maybe they can help you out. A guy on a bike forum I frequent had a bike stolen from him. He saw the parts listed on ebay two days later (could tell because of the custom paint job). So he bought one of the parts off the guy to get his mailing address and such. Took all that to the cops and they were well rather pissed and basically told him to back off or he was going to get the short stick lol. Just try to protect your self and keep an eye out for others. Even if you got his/her address and went to there home if you can find it the chances of that turning out good are slim as the law in this country is more toward protecting criminals then it is the innocent. Use water marks and such and report bad ones is about all you can do. Or not sell on ebay.
Contributing Member wolvenstien Posted February 24, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 24, 2009 Go here: http://www.thescambaiter.com/FORUM/index.php Scamming on eBay is greater than most people thing.... "The miracle is not how two adults can create a child, the phenomenon is how quickly a child can create two adults." -- VYBE Her: Hit Me Him: Do you want me to use the knife? Her: No, When you hit with a knife, that's STABBING!
JohnBarton Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Holding funds against feedback may sound good on the surface, but unless things have changed recently there's no requirement that a buyer leave feedback. I'm not sure I want PayPal holding my money indefinitely. I've sold a lot of items there and not all buyers, regardless of how happy they are with auction, leave feedback.Just a thought... Bob This is the actual policy: https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cm...ayments-outside There has to be a default to receive payment and it's time. I say that 99% of honest sellers fit the criteria for NOT having their payments held. For those that are new to Ebay then I guess it sucks to have to wait six months to not have your payments held up but overall it's not a bad thing to have to EARN the right to sell in their marketplace. I haven't checked out Ebay's changes in a long time but they definitely need SOME way to combat the fraud and on the surface this seems like one way to do it. Support Quality. We are all humans. Buy the best no matter where it's made. That way everyone lives in harmony. Nature knows no flags.
Contributing Member UKRay Posted February 24, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 24, 2009 This is very similar to the situation with CCTV cameras where the innocent person has little or nothing to fear from surveillance. Ebay have simply put some 'checks and balances' in place to protect the purchaser. As long as you operate your eBay sales in a respectable and honest way then you have little to fear. However, if you let people down or try to sell shoddy goods then you will fall foul of the checks and balances. IMHO, as a buyer and seller, I think that is a good thing not something to be afraid of. I certainly don't think it warrants any scaremongering. In simple terms, I want the eBay community to trust me so I work hard to make sure my feedback is always good - if that is a problem then perhaps folk should consider selling elsewhere. "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Contributing Member wolvenstien Posted February 24, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 24, 2009 I certainly don't think it warrants any scaremongering. Scaremongering.... no. But education and making aware of whats gong on is. I know whats going on on eBay, but I am educated enough to know what to look for and what to stay away from. If there are any questions about an item, I will try to talk to the seller. If the seller doesnt respond I will not bid. If the seller does respond, it all depends on what they say and how they say it. I have spent alot of time on thescambaiter.com. I have learned alot. I am not jaded, just educated. And I try to educate others too. "The miracle is not how two adults can create a child, the phenomenon is how quickly a child can create two adults." -- VYBE Her: Hit Me Him: Do you want me to use the knife? Her: No, When you hit with a knife, that's STABBING!
JohnBarton Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 Scaremongering.... no. But education and making aware of whats gong on is. I know whats going on on eBay, but I am educated enough to know what to look for and what to stay away from. If there are any questions about an item, I will try to talk to the seller. If the seller doesnt respond I will not bid. If the seller does respond, it all depends on what they say and how they say it. I have spent alot of time on thescambaiter.com. I have learned alot. I am not jaded, just educated. And I try to educate others too. A lot of us are like this - we have been around and we can see the red flags most of the time. But you have to remember that a site like Ebay draws millions of new visitors daily. It draws crowds of buyers like no other site in the world. A lot of these folks aren't internet savvy, they are there to look for a specific item and they gravitate towards the most attractive offer. Support Quality. We are all humans. Buy the best no matter where it's made. That way everyone lives in harmony. Nature knows no flags.
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